"Or, as Senator John Cornyn put it, "Al Zarqawi has made his last video.""

I like that line. After 9/11, I was ammused at the videos of al qauda guys huddled in a cave, passing a microphone around, threathening the destruction of the United States. Funny stuff.

But yeah, glad we go Zarqawi. One less socio-path on the planet. Not sure how it will affect things in Iraq. I'm sure AQ has planned for his death. Though AP reports 7 of his top aids were killed as well, so who know. It will be a morale booster for troops. Not sure how it will affect moral of AQ. They're crazy enough that it might boost it.

Good to see it happen, it is curious however that AP reported his death yesterday, citing "undetermined cause" of the demise and then today the story had changed to death by airstrike.

may Allah grant him 77 virgins...and his own beheading as he gazes upon them.

Glad to see him go!

This is good news, however, anyone who thinks this will make much of a difference in the short term for the "insurgency" is probably mistaken. I hope and pray I'm wrong of course.

[Chris Tucker]
“Go clean yourself up. You Dead.”
[/Chris Tucker]

[Chris Tucker]
“Go clean yourself up. You Dead.”
[/Chris Tucker]

It's my nature to be cautious about news like this, since humans have a funny way of reacting 180 degrees opposite the desired reaction to such circumstances, but I give our boys on the ground gathering human intel a big pat on the back for this one. May your virgins' crotches be infested with the fleas of 10,000 camels, you sick son-of-a-female dog

Best news out of Iraq since the death of the Saddam boys. Maybe we can go home now?

Bravo!

In spite of the efforts of Murtha, Kerry, Kennedy, Reid, Pelosi, the leftist U.S. press and others of their ilk we are winning this war and will continue to do so.

Terrific news! Now how bout we get Osama.

NOW can we bring our troops home?

We are all so lucky to have Axis with us, with his supreme intellect and ability to see through Bush's lies.

"Good to see it happen, it is curious however that AP reported his death yesterday, citing "undetermined cause" of the demise and then today the story had changed to death by air strike." - Axis

Wow, you are sooooo totally right! This inconsistency in reporting obviously points out that the US government is lying to us! In no way could it be because the AP only got word of his death yesterday, but didn't know exactly how he died. Somebody go get Michael Moore and those Loose Change guys, this has conspiracy written ALL OVER IT!

Thanks Axis, you are so awesome for pointing this out to us.

We are all so lucky to have Axis with us, with his supreme intellect and ability to see through Bush's lies.

"Good to see it happen, it is curious however that AP reported his death yesterday, citing "undetermined cause" of the demise and then today the story had changed to death by air strike." - Axis

Wow, you are sooooo totally right! This inconsistency in reporting obviously points out that the US government is lying to us! In no way could it be because the AP only got word of his death yesterday, but didn't know exactly how he died. Somebody go get Michael Moore and those Loose Change guys, this has conspiracy written ALL OVER IT!

Thanks Axis, you are so awesome for pointing this out to us.

axis (and the rest of you left wing liberal anti-Americans),

Is that the best subdued comment you have. I know you can do better than that!

That's got to be a real bummer! I can't think of much worse news to start YOUR day!

Not only didn't you get your hoped for news of a thousand American soldiers and Iraqi men, women, and children being blow up by Al-Zarqawi and his followers -- he went and got himself killed!

A bad news day for you lefties is a good news day for Iraqi and our troops. No, it won't stop the killings and bombings. There may even be more for now to offset the news of the loss of their leader. You will continue to get the bad news you crave; there will still be many more deaths and bad news to feed your propaganda mill... but ONE of the leaders IS gone! Today at least, there is some good news in the war on terror!

Now, let's see how you twist that. You will probably blame President Bush and our military for killing him unnecessarily. You will probably say our military had no right to kill him. You will probably say they knew where he was and should have made every effort to capture him alive. You will probably say they should have arrested him and placed him in a nice comfy jail in America. You will probably say he should have been given a good ACLU lawyer. And there's always those conspiracy theory kooks who may claim that he wasn't killed at all, but taken to a secret prison.

Let's just hope Al-Zarqawi really is gone and it's not a case of mistaken identity.

Now, go mourn the loss of one of your key newsmakers!

Have a bad day!

(No, Ash, Our troops can't come home yet.)

AAR

Another hero of the left has died. What a bad day for liberals

Matt,

The past couple of days I have been getting one "server error message" after another when I try to post.

Sometimes it comes when I "preview", but mostly when I hit "post".

I wait a short time before I try again, so hopefully I don't get too many double posts.

I wonder if others are having the same problems judging from the number of double or multiple posts I am seeing.

This happened a few weeks ago and finally cleared up.

Thanks,

AAR

We are all so lucky to have Axis with us, with his supreme intellect and ability to see through Bush's lies.

"Good to see it happen, it is curious however that AP reported his death yesterday, citing "undetermined cause" of the demise and then today the story had changed to death by air strike." - Axis

Wow, you are sooooo totally right! This inconsistency in reporting obviously points out that the US government is lying to us! In no way could it be because the AP only got word of his death yesterday, but didn't know exactly how he died. Somebody go get Michael Moore and those Loose Change guys, this has conspiracy written ALL OVER IT!

Thanks Axis, you are so awesome for pointing this out to us.

We are all so lucky to have Axis with us, with his supreme intellect and ability to see through Bush's lies.

"Good to see it happen, it is curious however that AP reported his death yesterday, citing "undetermined cause" of the demise and then today the story had changed to death by air strike." - Axis

Wow, you are sooooo totally right! This inconsistency in reporting obviously points out that the US government is lying to us! In no way could it be because the AP only got word of his death yesterday, but didn't know exactly how he died. Somebody go get Michael Moore and those Loose Change guys, this has conspiracy written ALL OVER IT!

Thanks Axis, you are so awesome for pointing this out to us.

Damnit. Sorry about that double post. With the errors I was getting, I didnt think it posted at all.

May Zarqawi suffer in perpetual anguish for the sorrow and misery he has caused so many others.

Calvin,

I'm guessing that you are having the same B4B "server error" posting problems that I am.

Maybe the B4B server thought it was worth repeating so liberals can get it through their thick skulls!

AAR

Thank God! And thank you US troops, Iraqi troops, and Jordanian intelligence! Well done!

I think we should give the left a small break on this blog. At least here they are glad he is dead. You should hear the loonies on Yahoo. It's pathetic.

Thank God! And thank you US troops, Iraqi troops, and Jordanian intelligence! Well done!

I think we should give the left a small break on this blog. At least here they are glad he is dead. You should hear the loonies on Yahoo. It's pathetic.

I had a server error too. But I didn't repost. I went back to the main page and my post was there.

More good news!! Iraqi cabinet members sworn in!

AAR,

If you imagine us all the be anti-american pinkos, then so be it, i can't change your perception, but short of playing "fluffer" to you and CJs rhetorical circle-jerk, how do want us to react to this news? We are still stuck playing monkey-in-the-middle to Sunni and Shi'ite hatred and have yet to truly discuss how to mitigate the civil war that will undoubtedly keep raging on, probably far after we have lost the stomach for it, not to mention the minor details of Kurdish autonomy, revenue sharing, and the investment in infrastructure that will truly help to build a sense of ownership within the Iraqi people. I commend a job well done in giving this scum-bag exactly what he deserves, 500lbs of american made how-ya-doin', but i'm not going to wipe-off and grab a ham sandwich quite yet, we still havea lot of work to be done that can't be fixed with "precision" bombing...is that the kind of response you were looking for?

I spoke too soon! LOL!

AAR,

If you imagine us all the be anti-american pinkos, then so be it, i can't change your perception, but short of playing "fluffer" to you and CJs rhetorical circle-jerk, how do want us to react to this news? We are still stuck playing monkey-in-the-middle to Sunni and Shi'ite hatred and have yet to truly discuss how to mitigate the civil war that will undoubtedly keep raging on, probably far after we have lost the stomach for it, not to mention the minor details of Kurdish autonomy, revenue sharing, and the investment in infrastructure that will truly help to build a sense of ownership within the Iraqi people. I commend a job well done in giving this scum-bag exactly what he deserves, 500lbs of american made how-ya-doin', but i'm not going to wipe-off and grab a ham sandwich quite yet, we still havea lot of work to be done that can't be fixed with "precision" bombing...is that the kind of response you were looking for?

his death leads to a power vacuum which will lead to insurgents fighting amongst themselves.

AAR,

If you imagine us all the be anti-american pinkos, then so be it, i can't change your perception, but short of playing "fluffer" to you and CJs rhetorical circle-jerk, how do want us to react to this news? We are still stuck playing monkey-in-the-middle to Sunni and Shi'ite hatred and have yet to truly discuss how to mitigate the civil war that will undoubtedly keep raging on, probably far after we have lost the stomach for it, not to mention the minor details of Kurdish autonomy, revenue sharing, and the investment in infrastructure that will truly help to build a sense of ownership within the Iraqi people. I commend a job well done in giving this scum-bag exactly what he deserves, 500lbs of american made how-ya-doin', but i'm not going to wipe-off and grab a ham sandwich quite yet, we still havea lot of work to be done that can't be fixed with "precision" bombing...is that the kind of response you were looking for?

Good f**ing riddance to that!

AAR, I may not agree with you on your views, but I don't consider you un-American or a terrorist sympathizer. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for you first odt you made.

Good f**ing riddance to that!

AAR, I may not agree with you on your views, but I don't consider you un-American or a terrorist sympathizer. You really ought to be ashamed of yourself for you first post you made on how capturing Zrqawi is a bad thing.

Another hero of the left has died.

Surely, surely you don't really mean this CJ. This demeans what little credibility you have. No let me rephrase that. If you truly believe that you are ignorant beyond ignorant.

I wonder if we can expect a post card from al Z showing him with 36 virgins on each arm. Nah, probably not.

Is this turning point #231 or #232?

teen,

Thanks for your critique!

AAR

No Ash...we bring our troops home when the job is done. When Iraq is ready to stand on their own. Oh, and we will have base(s) there so the troops will always be there in some capacity.

Just like they are in Germany, Korea, Japan, etc...areas of the world that liberals like you from yore were bitching to bring troops home as well.

The new Iraqi gov't, who you liberals bitch about constantly, is determined to weed these people out and this even legitimizes many things for them. The every day Iraqi is tired of the violence and will back their gov't to stop these terrorists.

Ok, here is what I have learned. Since so many of us made the double post mistake. It turns out that if you push post, and it gives you the error, your post still goes through. So just push post once, and come back in 30 seconds. It should be here. Just like kimberly4bush said. Hopefully the problem will be fixed soon.

war lover:

My question was rhetorical. It was meant to put the death of Zark in perspective.

I know Bush has no exit strategy, based on an earlier statement that the next administration will inherit this mess and have to figure out how to remove ourselves from this quagmire.

I think ultimately our reason for invading Iraq was to establish permanent bases of influence in the Middle East.

All you anti-American liberals,

I'm not alone in my opinion.

You want to change the opinion others have of your?

Change your propaganda stream. Show some support for our troops and our war on terrorism, even if you disagree with President Bush or the Iraq war.

Learn that your words, your hatred for President Bush, your anti-American words, your never ending propaganda ARE the problem. Learn that your words are harming America, our troops, Iraqi citizens, our image, our influence, and our ability to deal with security and other issues important to America around the world! LEARN!!!

Change your propaganda -- change your image!

Until then you are viewed by many millions and millions of Americans as pro-terrorist-anti-American and all the analogies and associations that go with it!

AAR

Within the last 7 days the USA has begun to "talk" to the Iranians in a civil way and Al Zarqawi called the Ayatollah Sistani an atheist and now Zarwawi is dead. Do you suppose that if we reestablish full diplomatic relations with Iran bin Laden would quickly be in the same condition? Peace

(NOTE: This may or may not be a double post.)

All you anti-American liberals,

I'm not alone in my opinion.

You want to change the opinion others have of your?

Change your propaganda stream. Show some support for our troops and our war on terrorism, even if you disagree with President Bush or the Iraq war.

Learn that your words, your hatred for President Bush, your anti-American words, your never ending propaganda ARE the problem. Learn that your words are harming America, our troops, Iraqi citizens, our image, our influence, and our ability to deal with security and other issues important to America around the world! LEARN!!!

Change your propaganda -- change your image!

Until then you are viewed by many millions and millions of Americans as pro-terrorist-anti-American and all the analogies and associations that go with it!

AAR

“Oh, and we will have base(s) there so the troops will always be there in some capacity.”
Posted by war

WASHINGTON, April 21, 2003 – The United States has neither asked nor considered asking a future Iraqi government for use of four air bases, Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld said today.
Rumsfeld called a New York Times story that suggested such a thing "unhelpful." He said such articles left people in the Middle East with the impression that the United States is planning to occupy the country. "Not so," he said as he thumped the lectern at the Pentagon briefing studio. "It's flat false."

War, your views are “unhelpful” are leaving “people in the Middle East with the impression that the United States is planning to occupy the country”. Shame on your liberal views.

All you anti-American liberals,

Bullpoop. I am anti-manifest destiny American neocons.

"Is this turning point #231 or #232?"

Ash, you once again reveal the anti-war left's profound lack of knowledge or perspective when it comes to war. Any idea how many "turning points" it took to win the American Revolution? The American Civil War? European Theater of World War II? Pacific Theater of World War II? Thousands? Tens of thousands? And were Washington, Lincoln and FDR all wrong to fight those wars because victory wasn't quick or cheap?

AAR,

"Learn that your words, your hatred for President Bush, your anti-American words, your never ending propaganda ARE the problem. Learn that your words are harming America, our troops, Iraqi citizens, our image, our influence, and our ability to deal with security and other issues important to America around the world! LEARN!!!"

So our words are what is blowing up cars in baghdad on a daily basis, you mean that a unified US homeland would miraculously make these guys repent, or think twice about driving a car into a crowded market...ARE YOU SMOKING CRACK?

Our influence on the world stage was pretty much obliterated after the rest of the world watched in horror as the beacon of freedom went on with invading a country, pre-emptively with little or no evidence to back us up.

We have no rights in an occupied country, only responsibilities, and we have been seriously shirking those. Another "emergency" defense bill for 60-something billion dollars to spend on non-existant security while our boys and girls play shooting-range ducks to sectarian Elmer Fudds. Bush's policy of turning corners and marching freedom seems a bit nieve, how much money are you prepared to spend to prop-up a state that has never existed without a strong central government...read some friggin history you whack-jobs.

Nick Berg & so many other deaths have been avenged & so many future deaths have been avoided! Thank God for our troops!!!

Just watch, I give 5 days to a week before the left(MSM) begins their investigation into wether we were humane enough in the way we went about exterminating the vile pest!

My attitude was invited by Bush's statement "Mission Accomplished" (what 1,232 days ago?) Makes me think he has no clue as to the meaning or goal of war either.

To compare the invasion of Iraq with the American Revolution, Civil or Second World War is fraudulent and a slap in the face to all the men that died in those wars.

Here's some history, TEO:

New York Times, October 22, 1945: “Reich Girls Want Return of Nazism: U.S. Poll Shows They Oppose Ousting of Party Members and Seek New ‘Hitler’”

New York Times, October 31, 1945: “Germans Reveal Hate of Americans”

New York Times, November 18, 1945: “Loss of Victory in Germany Through U.S. Policy Feared”

New York Times, December 3, 1945: “Germans Declare Americans Hated: U.S. Investigators Discover Mounting Bitterness Over Our Occupation Practices: Home Looting Claimed, Fraternization, Denazification and Lack of Assistance in Recovery Assailed”

New York Times, December 27, 1945: “Russians Spread Efficiency and Communism in Germany.”

After World War Two, The media was overly pessimistic and defeatist regarding the rebuilding of Germany. Their main concerns were a continuing guerilla war; mass looting; the growth of anti-Americanism in the region; the de-Nazification program; the fear that nearby foreign powers would sweep in and fill a power vacuum; that Germany did not want and was not ready for democracy and there was no plan for peace. The media yelled that we under-estimated how difficult it would be.

Does this sound at all familiar?

They were wrong then, and they’re wrong now. If we choose to give into pessimism and lose this war, it will not be the result of real facts and a real situation but because of a twisted perception of the situation enflamed by political agendas.

Ash,

(1). Whatever you choose to call it!

(2). "Mission Accomplished" -- The right sign, at the right time! I really liked it -- still do! I want to see more.

Eyes Closed,

Believe what you choose!

It's time the rest of America sees the left for what it really is!

AAR

AAR-

"Learn that your words, your hatred for President Bush, your anti-American words, your never ending propaganda ARE the problem. Learn that your words are harming America, our troops, Iraqi citizens, our image, our influence, and our ability to deal with security and other issues important to America around the world! LEARN!!!"

I can tell from your post that you haven't traveled that much or at all outside of the US. If you had you’d see the backasswardness of your statement. It isn't the Left that’s hurting America's imagine on the world stage, it's our president with his ever so subtle sense of diplomacy. "Old Europe? ","Bring um on?"," Coalition of the willing?" etc etc. Hardly warm and fuzzy statements to those outside of the amber waves of grain club wouldn't you say?
Look AAR, I have friends in England and France and Germany and up until about five minutes ago, they didn't know there was an anti war movement in this country. To them we were in lock step with one another on this thing. They were sorely surprised to learn they were not the originators of Bush bashing. So I'd do a little more investigation before you make ridiculous statements like the left is destroying America's image. Bush doesn't need any help with that job.

Your friends didn't know there was an anti-war movement here in the US? In which cave have they been living?

Leftorium,

RE: "I can tell from your post that you haven't traveled that much or at all outside of the US. If you had you’d see the backasswardness of your statement."

I can tell that -- as usual -- you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Nothing new. Typical liberal.

Not that it matters, but I worked in Europe for three years. I visited many, many countries there. I worked in Korea for a short time. I have been to Tokyo. I have spent several days on several trips to Canada and Mexico. I have lived and worked in may lactations throughout the United States. I have visited, lived in, or worked in all of the 50 States!

AAR

"I have lived and worked in may lactations throughout the United States."

- Did you work for a breast pump company?

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)

AAR-
Well thanks for the travel log , but you haven't addressed any of my statements apart from giving me your resume. I'm sorry to see the exposing oneself to other cultures expands your intellect theory has failed miserably here. But I'll take your word for it that you actually did all those things.
Oh and please, do you think you may be able to get through one post without the invective "Typical liberal" or Anti-American liberal" or "@#%$ing Liberal", etc.
It's SO Fox News.

AAR-
Well thanks for the travel log , but you haven't addressed any of my statements apart from giving me your resume. I'm sorry to see the exposing oneself to other cultures expands your intellect theory has failed miserably here. But I'll take your word for it that you actually did all those things.
Oh and please, do you think you may be able to get through one post without the invective "Typical liberal" or Anti-American liberal" or "@#%$ing Liberal", etc.
It's SO Fox News.

As Zarqawi's sister said, "He got exactly what he deserved!"

Kimberly,

The german "guerilla war" was ruthlessly supressed in two years, operation "werewolf" was a loose band of many small cells, including some bitter-enders from the SS.

Now admitantly the germans were much more weary of years of war and peace-time economic humiliation, so i would argue this is probably why the people turned against the bitter-enders so quickly. The issue still stands that we as a people, and I would argue the administration as a whole hasn't embraced any of the ME intellectuals who speak and understand the language and culture. The people of the ME don't care about death, they have huge birth-rates, and the untimely death of their kin is normal day-to-day reality even in peace-time. The one thing they do care very much about is honor, when a christian white-boy comes into an Iraqis house and makes him look impotent infront of his mother, sisters, or wife he comes back much more sympathetic to the insurgent cause, and while perhaps not willing to join the fight, will definately not help us.

During the german insurgency, they had no other enclaves of german, nationalistic reserves on which to count on; while there is a huge reserve of sympathy for their "brothers" within the wider ME. so to compare the insurgent capabilities of the two wars is ignorant at best.

We would be much better served to eat a little crow and attempt to recruit other muslim nations ion a wider ME "peace-keeping" mission under international auspices, ive said it before, a few months of muslim boys being shot at, and they will have every moderate muslim cleric in the world on Al-Jazeera explaining why Wahhabi Islamism is against Koranic teaching. But this involves admitting mistakes were made by us AND our government, massive promies of rebuilding funds that won't be horded by American contruction firms, and a little less bravado from our foreign policy talking heads.

God bless our troops and God bless President George W. Bush, the greatest president in american history. This must be a tough day for the democrats, since zarkawi was the favorite to replace howard dean as the head of the dnc.

Kimberly,

The german "guerilla war" was ruthlessly supressed in two years, operation "werewolf" was a loose band of many small cells, including some bitter-enders from the SS.

Now admitantly the germans were much more weary of years of war and peace-time economic humiliation, so i would argue this is probably why the people turned against the bitter-enders so quickly. The issue still stands that we as a people, and I would argue the administration as a whole hasn't embraced any of the ME intellectuals who speak and understand the language and culture. The people of the ME don't care about death, they have huge birth-rates, and the untimely death of their kin is normal day-to-day reality even in peace-time. The one thing they do care very much about is honor, when a christian white-boy comes into an Iraqis house and makes him look impotent infront of his mother, sisters, or wife he comes back much more sympathetic to the insurgent cause, and while perhaps not willing to join the fight, will definately not help us.

During the german insurgency, they had no other enclaves of german, nationalistic reserves on which to count on; while there is a huge reserve of sympathy for their "brothers" within the wider ME. so to compare the insurgent capabilities of the two wars is ignorant at best.

We would be much better served to eat a little crow and attempt to recruit other muslim nations ion a wider ME "peace-keeping" mission under international auspices, ive said it before, a few months of muslim boys being shot at, and they will have every moderate muslim cleric in the world on Al-Jazeera explaining why Wahhabi Islamism is against Koranic teaching. But this involves admitting mistakes were made by us AND our government, massive promies of rebuilding funds that won't be horded by American contruction firms, and a little less bravado from our foreign policy talking heads.

This is obviously good news. I don't know who deserves the credit (Bush, Rummy, the troops, etc) but this is a good job.

AAR - have you travelled outside the US since the so-called War on Terra began?

If you have, then surely you will admit that all this anti-US sentiment is caused not by liberals, but by Neo-cons such as yourself, and the idol you bow to, King George.

re: "(2). "Mission Accomplished" -- The right sign, at the right time! I really liked it -- still do! I want to see more."

Ahaha. That's a riot. Hook, line, sinker.

Hey Ash -- after reading your comments, I really can't understand how liberals can get painted as such panty-waists on national defense.

Oh, in case you didn't get it: that's sarcasm.

Wake up, Ash: this is the equivalent of the US nailing the architect of Pearl Harbor, Admiral Yamamoto, in 1943 during WW2. It was a huge morale boost for America, and incredibly demoralizing for the enemy. And yes, it was two more years 'til we had VJ Day. There won't be a symbolic surrender on The USS Missouri this time: we kill them or capture these monstrous terrorists.

Why don't you look beyond your irrational hatred of President Bush, and root for America to win? And anyway, has all that hatred actually made your life better in any way? I suspect you're a pretty sad, unhappy person.

I must commend Matt for refraining from using this as a cheap opportunity to bash progressives. We may have different interpretations on what Zarqawi's death will probably mean to Iraq long-term, but we all essentially agree on bidding him good riddance.

thanks Matt! This is progress.

Kimberly,

The german "guerilla war" was ruthlessly supressed in two years, operation "werewolf" was a loose band of many small cells, including some bitter-enders from the SS.

Now admitantly the germans were much more weary of years of war and peace-time economic humiliation, so i would argue this is probably why the people turned against the bitter-enders so quickly. The issue still stands that we as a people, and I would argue the administration as a whole hasn't embraced any of the ME intellectuals who speak and understand the language and culture. The people of the ME don't care about death, they have huge birth-rates, and the untimely death of their kin is normal day-to-day reality even in peace-time. The one thing they do care very much about is honor, when a christian white-boy comes into an Iraqis house and makes him look impotent infront of his mother, sisters, or wife he comes back much more sympathetic to the insurgent cause, and while perhaps not willing to join the fight, will definately not help us.

During the german insurgency, they had no other enclaves of german, nationalistic reserves on which to count on; while there is a huge reserve of sympathy for their "brothers" within the wider ME. so to compare the insurgent capabilities of the two wars is ignorant at best.

We would be much better served to eat a little crow and attempt to recruit other muslim nations ion a wider ME "peace-keeping" mission under international auspices, ive said it before, a few months of muslim boys being shot at, and they will have every moderate muslim cleric in the world on Al-Jazeera explaining why Wahhabi Islamism is against Koranic teaching. But this involves admitting mistakes were made by us AND our government, massive promies of rebuilding funds that won't be horded by American contruction firms, and a little less bravado from our foreign policy talking heads.

Kimberly,

The german "guerilla war" was ruthlessly supressed in two years, operation "werewolf" was a loose band of many small cells, including some bitter-enders from the SS.

Now admitantly the germans were much more weary of years of war and peace-time economic humiliation, so i would argue this is probably why the people turned against the bitter-enders so quickly. The issue still stands that we as a people, and I would argue the administration as a whole hasn't embraced any of the ME intellectuals who speak and understand the language and culture. The people of the ME don't care about death, they have huge birth-rates, and the untimely death of their kin is normal day-to-day reality even in peace-time. The one thing they do care very much about is honor, when a christian white-boy comes into an Iraqis house and makes him look impotent infront of his mother, sisters, or wife he comes back much more sympathetic to the insurgent cause, and while perhaps not willing to join the fight, will definately not help us.

During the german insurgency, they had no other enclaves of german, nationalistic reserves on which to count on; while there is a huge reserve of sympathy for their "brothers" within the wider ME. so to compare the insurgent capabilities of the two wars is ignorant at best.

We would be much better served to eat a little crow and attempt to recruit other muslim nations ion a wider ME "peace-keeping" mission under international auspices, ive said it before, a few months of muslim boys being shot at, and they will have every moderate muslim cleric in the world on Al-Jazeera explaining why Wahhabi Islamism is against Koranic teaching. But this involves admitting mistakes were made by us AND our government, massive promies of rebuilding funds that won't be horded by American contruction firms, and a little less bravado from our foreign policy talking heads.

Parker,

You got me on that one!!!!!

I can not reveal that information, though, and I can neither confirm nor deny your assumption.

It's this computer again. The thing keeps making errors. Even when I run it through the spell checker, the thing lets errors like that one slip through. I think it does that intentionally. I've warned it to stop or I'll trade it in for another model. So far, though, it just keeps testing my patience (good thing I didn't say patients)!!!

(You wouldn't believe how many times I read and re-read your comments before I figured out what you meant.)

Have a good day!

AAR

maf53,

Check with Al Gore about the War on Terra!

I'll admit that the LibDims have done the most damage to America's image abroad. Go back and check some of my prior posts if you want the details!

AAR

Leftorium,

RE: "...do you think you may be able to get through one post without the invective 'Typical liberal' or Anti-American liberal"

Absolutely not. Not until all Americans understand and see liberals for what they are! Repetition, repetition, repetition.
That's the liberal way. That's what gets the message across. Just a play from the liberal play book.

Why do you need my resume? Were you going to offer me a job? (Just joking -- no reply expected.)

Would you like to know the number of years I attended college? My degrees? My class ranking in high school and college? The number of grades I skipped in elementary school and high school? The scores on my I.Q. and aptitude tests? My work history? Awards and recognition?

Well, you'll just have to wonder, won't you? But... I'd put mine up against yours any day.

And no, writing isn't one of my stronger points. I get by. I do wish I had paid more attention to my high school English teacher though.

AAR

Ash

Bush has no exit strategy? You know this? Is that from your conversations with him?

You guys on the left just crack me up.

Iraqis reported to be dancing in the streets with the news.

Hmm, seems to go so against what Axis, Third Eye, Ash and Blarney have been saying the last few months.

Kimberly,

I'm sorry, I forgot to even touch on your point about headlines here in the US.

You assume I garner my entire breadth of knowledge from newspapers, and that I don't bother to read international news or history, or bother to investigate the ideas I prescribe to.

I emplore you to look further at the evidence that doesn't appear in left or right leaning news channels in the US. There is a great deal of info regarding the history of this nation over the past 100 years, it goes pretty far to explain why the two groups hate eachother, and why with the lack of a strong-man government, the 3 distinct zones have very different wants. we have not even scratched the surface as to why they keep fighting inspite of us being there, or which countries are behind the scenes pulling the strings of the major militias (Mahdi Army, Badr Brigade etc). You need to explore the intricate tribal and national interplay and then i think you will see why us being there is seen as nothing more than another militia that one side cheers so long as they are blowing up the other. We have no control of the situations over there, we are mearly reacting and following our own agenda, this is why no one associated with the government on our side or theirs dares leave the greenzone. What would happen if ten years from now we are still fighting an insurgency, with an ineffective government making laws behind blast walls, which will never be upheld. all politics are truly local, and the warlords control the local police and militias...so how do we solve that problem?

All you lefties,

I've got things to do now, so you can have it all to yourself for awhile.

AAR

Warriornation,

You mean like the PsyOps photo opportunity of them dancing on Saddam's statue?

for someone who hates the MSM, you sure buy into it when it proves your worldview

Warriornation,

You mean like the PsyOps photo opportunity of them dancing on Saddam's statue?

for someone who hates the MSM, you sure buy into it when it proves your worldview

"Mission Re-Accomplished!"

Fantastic work by our President, SecDef and every soldier in the US of A.

The fact is, this is a marathon, not a sprint. I think it is bold and wise that Mr. Bush has broken the job down into a series of missions, each getting accomplished well.

Ground War - Mission Accomplished!
Secure Oil Fields - Mission Accomplished!
Iraqi Peace/Prosperity - Mission Accomplished!
Form a government - Mission Accomplished!
Form another government - Mission Accomplished!
Remove bad Prime Minister - Mission Accomplished!
Kill Zarquawi - Mission Accomplished!

And in coming attractions:

Kill al Sadr - Coming Soon!
Kill Osama - Coming Soon!
Kill Musharraf - Coming Soon!
Kill Putin - Coming Soon!
Kill Chavez - Coming Soon!
Kill Castro - Coming Soon!
Kill Gore - Coming Soon!
Invade Syria - Coming Soon!
Invade Iran - Coming Soon!

The end of all our enemies...Peace in our time is at hand.

Conservative,

Your meds must have run out; SOMEONE GET THE HOSE!!

Awesome news!!! Good news for Republicans 2 days in a row. Wahoo!!!!!!!!

"I'm sorry to see the exposing oneself to other cultures expands your intellect theory has failed miserably here."

This is exactly what is wrong with the left. The belief that somehow European thinking is the wave of the future. That some how Europeans are more intellectual because they choose to appease.

Bad week for the Demorats.

Failure at the polls - losing a special election CA House 50 where the Demorat was "15 points ahead" in January", but she advocated the Demorat position of letting illegals vote.

Al Qaeda Leader taken out.

Oil prices down significantly - gas prices heading south.

You think that liberals are happy about this? What a flat out lie. Just take a look and see how happy they are. This is the worst possible news for "progressives." Well, the only thing *worse* would be the kiling of bin Laden

Well finally some good news from the front. As one who supports the war on terror, while opposing our heavy-handedness in Iraq, I am encouraged by this turn of events. Terrorism, as our Canadian friends is very real, and requires a competent military and intelligence effort to ferret it out. A good day for America.

AAR-

"Leftorium,

RE: "...do you think you may be able to get through one post without the invective 'Typical liberal' or Anti-American liberal"

Absolutely not. Not until all Americans understand and see liberals for what they are! Repetition, repetition, repetition.
That's the liberal way. That's what gets the message across. Just a play from the liberal play book."

Oh I thought that mindless repetition of asinine talking points was a republican strong point. After all, wasn't it the Decider in Chimp (aka) George Bush who said " In my business you got to keep repeating the message,,, uh,... ya got to, hurl the propaganda."

AAR, I must say you and some of the other wingnuts on here seem disappointed to learn that those left of center are every bit as glad to learn of Zarqawi's death as you are. Is it just possible you can love your country and its people, but not approve of all of its government policies? You bet it is.

Ash: Definition, "The grayish-white to black powdery residue left when something is burned."

How apt; the libs are getting burned daily.

Axis posts, more $$$$$.

Oh geez. Matt posted the video. I think a giant wave of War Lovers just rushed to the bathroom in all the excitement ...

TEO:
I apologize for my short response but this is the second time I am attempting to post ... and I've got to go back to work!

I wasn't comparing the two insurgencies, unless you consider the media an insurgency? LOL.

You may find this hard to believe but I agree with most of your points! :-)

We have made many mistakes and have learned from some. I have been waiting for this administration to own up to it, but I believe they are afraid the Left would use it as a political rally cry.

I rarely rely on the newspapers and tv for news. My favorite outlets are the sites that specialize in the war on terror and ME blogs. It's interesting to see that a majority of Sunnis and Shites are for peace and democracy, not civil war. Those who are hoping for civil unrest are the insurgencies ... it fits right into their overall plan.

One only needs to look to the left and right of Iraq to know who is funding the insurgencies: Syria and Iran. How do we stop this? Not by bombs. That's what they want: an excuse to bomb the US and our allies. We need to support the people who are being suppressed by their dictators. They are ready and willing, and I believe the time is now. Even an Iranian Republican Guard admitted that they could not handle an overthrow of the government.

Conservative to the Core:
It would be a huge mistake to invade Iran and Syria. The people are ready for a revolution in both countries. We just need to give them a little push and aid them in their fight.

Now they should pi$$ on the corpse, face it away from Mecca, and set the son-of-a-b*tch on fire.

Oh great, now that Matt posted the video the libs here are going to start crying like babies.

Kimberly,

Actually I think you've hit the nail right on the head. There are some major forces at work in this country, using the MSM as their propaganda tools.

I would argue that while we hear about the major car bombings and the uber-bloody battles between the US and the foreign insurgents, the execution style killings and beheaded tit-for-tat killings are much more a local issue. These are the battles that regular Iraqis are worried about. When you've got entire neighborhoods being ethnically cleansed and the police forces of entire regions basically running double duty as militia members aswell, you're never going to end the cycle of violence.

Personally i think we need an EXTREMELY intense campaign of muslim help getting these moderate leaders in Islam to step up and be counted. Clerics like Al Sistani need to be heard not only in iraq but loudspeakered into every house in America, make him a household name and change the framing of the war, let the military do its job, lets start making national discourse on how we got here and how we can reduce our footprint on the region.

You're absolutely right, Iraq is surrounded by vipers with strong ties to the people. We are at a point in their history where for the first time in anyone's lifetime they aren't under an ironclad dictator, and they are looking for security amongst familiar faces. We need to figure out how to re-ignite the nationalistic pride that they are ALL iraqis, not 3 seperate groups sharing the same sand-box. This is going to require the wider ME, not us, atleast not in an outfront role. I think the distaste for anything with 'western' attached to it will only fuel the insurgency.

Basically its a tough call, kinda damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. but the best chance for peace is going to involve muslim boots on the ground, and a lot of international oversight in the whole rebuilding process, with EXTREMELY tight oversight to avoid plundering of oil and fraud by the UN or Iraqis

Crossed fingers.....

I am really hoping that the Sunni's giving Zarqawi up through tips and the fact that at the same time a Sunni was named Secretary of Defense is a sign of a brighter future.

Seems to me a political deal may have been cut - you want power, we'll give you power - but first show you are sincere by giving up Zarqawi and putting an end to the insurgency. Let's watch and see over the next few months if IEDs and mass civilian murders through bombings drop dramatically and there is more news about insurgents being taken down. That will indicate that their back is breaking and that by keeping the boot on the back of their neck...as this adminstration has done....we have actually achieved a breakthrough.

Hopefully, this is the first step.

mn lib

Kimberly,

Actually I think you've hit the nail right on the head. There are some major forces at work in this country, using the MSM as their propaganda tools.

I would argue that while we hear about the major car bombings and the uber-bloody battles between the US and the foreign insurgents, the execution style killings and beheaded tit-for-tat killings are much more a local issue. These are the battles that regular Iraqis are worried about. When you've got entire neighborhoods being ethnically cleansed and the police forces of entire regions basically running double duty as militia members aswell, you're never going to end the cycle of violence.

Personally i think we need an EXTREMELY intense campaign of muslim help getting these moderate leaders in Islam to step up and be counted. Clerics like Al Sistani need to be heard not only in iraq but loudspeakered into every house in America, make him a household name and change the framing of the war, let the military do its job, lets start making national discourse on how we got here and how we can reduce our footprint on the region.

You're absolutely right, Iraq is surrounded by vipers with strong ties to the people. We are at a point in their history where for the first time in anyone's lifetime they aren't under an ironclad dictator, and they are looking for security amongst familiar faces. We need to figure out how to re-ignite the nationalistic pride that they are ALL iraqis, not 3 seperate groups sharing the same sand-box. This is going to require the wider ME, not us, atleast not in an outfront role. I think the distaste for anything with 'western' attached to it will only fuel the insurgency.

Basically its a tough call, kinda damned if we do, damned if we don't situation. but the best chance for peace is going to involve muslim boots on the ground, and a lot of international oversight in the whole rebuilding process, with EXTREMELY tight oversight to avoid plundering of oil and fraud by the UN or Iraqis

"To compare the invasion of Iraq with the American Revolution, Civil or Second World War is FRAUDULENT and A SLAP IN THE FACE TO ALL THE MEN THAT DIED IN THOSE WARS."

Hey Ash: You sure about that? Guess what -- During FDR's war to defeat Axis fascism, there were thousands of war opponents in America who claimed that comparing WWII to previous wars was a slap in the face to everyone who died in those previous wars. During Lincoln's EXTREMELY controversial war to preserve the union and abolish slavery, there were even more vocal opponents who claimed that comparing the Civil War to previous wars was a slap in the face to everyone who died in those previous wars. During Washington's long, difficult, and often seemingly-doomed fight to secure American independence from England, there were countless opponents who attacked the righteousness of his cause and his skill as a General. In almost EVERY American war, there have been many who loudly claimed the then-current war was illegitimate, misguided or incompetently fought compared to previous wars. But after the war was over, historians always weighed the evidence objectively and often ended up declaring those war opponents misguided, or even "useful idiots" (i.e., useful for America's enemies).

My question to you is: WHY are you so anxious to declare America's effort to liberate Iraq "fraudulent" so soon before all the key facts are in? Do you REALLY think you already know all there is to know about Saddam's pre-war WMD program, or where/when he hid those weapons? Or about his pre-war cooperation with al Qaeda and other terrorists? Or the pre-war groundwork he laid for the terrorist insurgency? You prepared for the possibility (and in my view, likelihood) that history will judge you and other loud Iraq war critics as useful idiots for Islamo-fascism?

JPL,

The point you've made is very valid, there are always people who prefer to not fight, for whatever reasons.

But the threshold we have crossed is a dangerous one indeed. The rule of law says you can't invade a country, pre-emptively, without evidence of an imminent attack. You aren't allowed to go invading countries because of things you THINK they might be capable of doing. That goes against the entire idea of why the UN was formed...Europe was hanging on by a thread after generations of pre-emptive attacks on eachother; no matter how much you dislike someone, the rule of law protects sovereignty.

By allowing us to do this we open any country up to invading a neighbor, I can only Imagine Hitler claiming that Poland was a threat to him, and given free reign to do what he pleased while he "searched" for the offending impliments of destruction.

Looks like our friend Al-Zarqawi made another video, after the bombing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3xvV_VGjrs

From the statement made by Rep Boehner, I'm not sure he understands the threat. This enemy is far larger and far more powerful than Al Zarqawi. While eliminating Al Zarqawi is one small step in the right direction, I don't expect this to have much an impact in the short term.

From the statements made by Rep Boehner, I'm not sure he grasps the threat this enemy poses. This enemy is far larger and far more powerful than Al Zarqawi. While eliminating Al Zarqawi is a step in the right direction, I don't think this will have much of an impact in the short term.

Barney, I'm quite sure the Iraqi gov't will ASK us to stage a base or bases in Iraq. Count on it.

Third eye...You mean like the PsyOps photo opportunity of them dancing on Saddam's statue?

Claim to back that up with a qualified source.

Poor axis and Ash and TEO---how miserable for them to wake up to find good news. Actually, they wake up to good news every day, but it's the kind of good news they can ignore or try to spin. Pretty hard to spin this one, eh, boys? (Though the effort to imply some kind of government coverup was a valiant effort, axis, given what you have to work with.)

Al-Jazeera had a quote from an Al-Queda guy saying that the death of a leader is "life" to them, and they couldn't be happier.

If killing their people means they are gaining, then it appears they can't really win till we've killed them all.

In much the same vein, if the Republican win in California's District 50 was really a victory for the Democrats, they won't be completely victorious till every elected office in America is held by Republicans.

Works for me.....

HAHAHAHA! Yeah, that is a very beautiful comparison to both of their definitions of "winning".

So AQ wont mind if we kill more of them, and the dems shouldnt mind if we win more elections. :)
Sounds like win win strategy. Everybody is happy.

About getting Osama: I have my own theory on that, which is that it is better that we never "get" him. I think we are all a lot better off with him skulking around in caves.

If we kill him, we elevate him from his current status of impotent ex-leader, and make him a hero and a martyr.

If we capture him, we have a whole different set of problems. Where would we keep him? While no lib would volunteer his own home town as a site for an Osama prison, we couldn't stash him in a (gasp!!) SECRET PRISON because...well, just because. Because of all the reasons they have come up with for that. Nothing specific, you understand, just the typical vague sense of outrage that typifies leftist reactions to almost anything.

And holding him anywhere, secret or not, would set up the possibility of hostage-taking in efforts to negotiate his release, and/or acts of retaliation.

But look at what mere containment has done. It has changed his status from powerful warlord humbling the United States to impotent old man, darting from cave to cave to try to save his own skin. We have, for the most part, neutralized him, which seems to be a far better outcome than regenerating his hero status or making him the center of attention by holding him captive.

OOHRAH!!! Al-Zarqawi is DEAD! Way to go President Bush! Awesome job US military! Thank you Jordan!
:)

I hope the Iraqis dancing in the streets stay up late and party all night long!
:)

War Bonnet: Bush has no exit strategy? You know this? Is that from your conversations with him?

Have you already forgotten the speech he gave saying that it will be up to the next administration to deal with Iraq and ending the war?

What a short, selective memory you have. Been around too many exploding.....water balloons?

B.Poster, you're right. Killing that beheading monster Al-Zarqawi is a MAJOR VICTORY, but the threat is much larger than that one hellbeast. Islamic terrorists will call him a martyr and keep right on slaughtering in Iraq and around the world.

Oh great, now that Matt posted the video the libs here are going to start crying like babies.

And CJ. WarBonnet, Alms et al will "pleasure themselves"

WARNING TO LIBERALS: DO NOT READ THIS!

Ayatollah Khomeini, Circa 1942
(via LGF):From the book "Anti-American Terrorism and the Middle East" (a collection of source documents and statements from key militant Islamic figures), the late unlamented Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini...answers the question, “Is Islam a religion of peace?”

"Islam is Not a Religion of Pacifists
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, 1942

Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law]. ...

Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does that mean that Muslim should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!

There are hundreds of other [Koranic] psalms and hadiths [sayings of the prophet] urging Muslims to value war and to fight. Does all that mean that Islam is a religion that prevents men from waging war? I spit upon those foolish souls who make such a claim."

AAR, you go! Bash these kooks so's I can rest.

Mission Accomplished

The Enola Gay dropped two atomic bombs over Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The mission? To end WWII in Japan. The result: Mission Accomplished!

The USS Abraham Lincoln deployed to the Persian Gulf to assist in the initial invasion and the subsequent fall of Baghdad. The result: Mission Accomplished!

The USAF deployed F-16 fighter aircraft to a safe house near Baghdad. The mission: To kill terrorist leader Abu Mussab Al-Zarqawi and his henchmen. The result: Mission Accomplished!

keefer posts daily in B4B. His mission: To hammer some sense into kooks heads, and to get idiots Barney, Ash, axis, and other kooks, to write properly. The result: Mission Impossible!!!

"kooks heads"

How many heads do you think kooks have, keebler?

That is because Ash, we will have bases and other issues there for years to come. However, I do not expect that we will have 130,000 troops there in a few years. I suspect major fighting will end in the next 18 months. At least I hope that is the case.

The great news is that it appears every day Iraqis are turning in these clowns now. When that starts to happen, it's BAD BAD news for the bad guys.

Some Democrats call killing Zarqawi a stunt.

Yes, yes, yes. Keep talking Dems, louder and louder!! Keep doing it!!!!!!

J

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060608-041042-9038r.htm

"Some Democrats call killing Zarqawi a stunt."-Warriornation

UN-freaking-believable!
:(

Meanwhile, the Dutch are waking up to the danger of Islam...

Islam Incompatible with Europe, Say Dutch

(via LGF:) A new poll in the Netherlands shows that 63% of Dutch adults believe Islam is "incompatible with modern European life".

I also have my own theory about not catching Osama:

Take an airplane to Afghanistan, get off, staring from a stationary position, turn in place 360 degrees keeping your eyes on the horizon. About the time you realize that by watching the horizon, your head and eyes are cocked upward at around a 45 dgeree angle, you will also realize why we have not caught Osama.

That is all.

I have my own theory about not catching Osama:

Take an airplane to Afghanistan, get off, staring from a stationary position, turn in place 360 degrees keeping your eyes on the horizon. About the time you realize that by watching the horizon, your head and eyes are cocked upward at around a 45 dgeree angle, you will realize why we have not caught Osama.

That is all.

How Ironic, we are in a serious conflict with terrorism and it's American liberals who are actually losing the war.

Well, ash a kook has a head, while kooks have heads. What's the problem, dummy? Oh shoot, I answered my own question. Never mind...

Anotha one bit a dust.

We will,we will ROCK YOU!

:) :) :) :) :) :)Happy days.

Just acting like a kid at heart!!

Grammar was correct. Just awkward to read.

keefer,

Besides doing a little mowing, I've been entertaining Leftorium on another thread. He's been trying to educate me in the leftwing liberal revisionist version of history!

I don't care what the lefties say about you, I still like reading your comments!

AAR

keefer,

Yeah that was a good one keef!

Me and AAR has been giving Leftorium some lessons, on right from wrong!

This is your buddy jeremiah,
catch ya later!

For one stinkin' day can we all be Americans (and Canadians)?? We had a big victory today, and a monster who decapitated Nick Berg met his maker. For once, I can't be cynical. I am grateful to the Jordanian intelligence officers and to our military. We can bicker about politics every other day of the year!

For one stinkin' day can we all be Americans (and Canadians)?? We had a big victory today, and a monster who decapitated Nick Berg met his maker. For once, I can't be cynical. I am grateful to the Jordanian intelligence officers and to our military. We can bicker about politics every other day of the year!

-- Indeed. Remember under CLinton when Liberals and Conservatives could actually communicate and see each others viewpoints?

Amazing how one Chimpanzee president could wipe that all away and divide the country so much in just 5 years. Another couple years and there much be a new civil war.

Warriornation,

C'mon man, don't think I would say something like I did without some back-up, buck-o.

I love it when you guys eat up everything that floats your way in the MSM, right up until the point when someone else prints something you don't agree with, then it's some liberal conspiracy. Wake up and realize we are fighting this propaganda war just as tough as the insurgents are. The problem is we have an internal filter for their propaganda, but we soak up, through lazy reporting, the leaking propaganda we put out over there, just like those stories planted in Iraqi newspapers by American PsyOps.

"The operation is designed to mask any connection with the U.S. military. The Pentagon has a contract with a small Washington-based firm called Lincoln Group, which helps translate and place the stories. The Lincoln Group's Iraqi staff, or its subcontractors, sometimes pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they deliver the stories to Baghdad media outlets."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-infowar30nov30,0,5638790.story

"The Marine Corps colonel in the area saw the Saddam statue as a target of opportunity and decided that the statue must come down"

"We looked over and now there was an American flag draped over the face of the statue. God bless them, but we were thinking from PSYOP school that this was just bad news. We didn't want to look like an occupation force, and some of the Iraqis were saying, `No, we want an Iraqi flag!' So I said `No problem, somebody get me an Iraqi flag"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2004/onpoint/ch-6.htm

Warriornation,

C'mon man, don't think I would say something like I did without some back-up, buck-o.

I love it when you guys eat up everything that floats your way in the MSM, right up until the point when someone else prints something you don't agree with, then it's some liberal conspiracy. Wake up and realize we are fighting this propaganda war just as tough as the insurgents are. The problem is we have an internal filter for their propaganda, but we soak up, through lazy reporting, the leaking propaganda we put out over there, just like those stories planted in Iraqi newspapers by American PsyOps.

"The operation is designed to mask any connection with the U.S. military. The Pentagon has a contract with a small Washington-based firm called Lincoln Group, which helps translate and place the stories. The Lincoln Group's Iraqi staff, or its subcontractors, sometimes pose as freelance reporters or advertising executives when they deliver the stories to Baghdad media outlets."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-infowar30nov30,0,5638790.story

"The Marine Corps colonel in the area saw the Saddam statue as a target of opportunity and decided that the statue must come down"

"We looked over and now there was an American flag draped over the face of the statue. God bless them, but we were thinking from PSYOP school that this was just bad news. We didn't want to look like an occupation force, and some of the Iraqis were saying, `No, we want an Iraqi flag!' So I said `No problem, somebody get me an Iraqi flag"

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/report/2004/onpoint/ch-6.htm