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June 05, 2006
Good News All Over The Place

Peter Wehner, deputy assistant to the president and director of the White House's Office of Strategic Initiatives, has a piece in the Washington Post today on a a number of issues with plenty of good news... First, social indicators:

We are witnessing a remarkable cultural renewal in America. Violent crime rates remain at the lowest levels in the history of the Bureau of Justice Statistics' survey (which started in 1973). We are experiencing the sharpest decline in teen crime in modern history. Property crimes are near the lowest levels in the history of the federal survey. Welfare caseloads have declined almost 60 percent since 1996. Both the abortion rate and ratio are at the lowest levels we have seen in the 30-year period these data have been tracked. African American and Hispanic fourth-graders posted the highest reading and math scores in the history of the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP) test. The use of illegal drugs by teens has dropped 19 percent since 2001, while the use of hallucinogens such as LSD and ecstasy has declined by more than half.
The teen birth rate also continues to fall, "the percentage of high school students who reported having had sex is significantly lower than in the early 1990s. The divorce rate has fallen steadily for over a decade. And teen smoking has dropped by almost 50 percent since the late '90s."

On the economy,

The American economy is the strongest in the world and growing faster than that of any other major industrialized country. It grew at an annual rate of 5.3 percent in the first quarter -- the fastest growth in 2 1/2 years. It has added more than 5.3 million jobs since the summer of 2003, and employment is near an all-time high. The unemployment rate (4.6 percent) is well below the average for each of the past four decades. Mortgage rates remain near historical lows, homeownership remains near a record high, and sales of new and existing homes reached record levels in 2005. Real disposable personal income has risen almost 13 percent since President Bush took office; and core inflation rose just 2.3 percent over the past 12 months. The Dow Jones industrial average has risen from under 7300 in 2002 to above 11,000 for most of this year. Tax revenues are at an all-time high -- and so is total household net worth.
Of course, you'd know pretty much all of that if you followed our coverage of the economy.
And, of course, there's plenty to say on national security.
Today we are witnessing one of the swiftest advances of freedom in history. In the past four years more than 110 million people have joined the ranks of the free -- and for the first time freedom is taking root in the Middle East. Once ruled by cruel dictatorships, the people of Afghanistan and Iraq are now governed by constitutions and are participating in national elections. The governments of the two countries once provided safe haven to terrorists; now they are engaged in a mortal struggle against them. This struggle is longer and harder than any of us would wish, but by any standard or precedent of history, Afghanistan and Iraq have made remarkable political progress.
You really need to read the whole thing.

Posted by Matt at June 5, 2006 04:42 PM



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Bush's fault

/sarcasm off

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 05:31 PM

Bush's fault

/sarcasm off

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 05:31 PM

Bush's fault

/sarcasm off

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 05:32 PM

Those stats on the economy can not be true. The Drive by Media says that its the worst economy since the Great Depression.

Posted by: Tina at June 5, 2006 05:36 PM

You're right, Warriornation. It IS Bush's fault!
:)

"Welfare caseloads have declined almost 60 percent since 1996."

Impressive!

"Today we are witnessing one of the swiftest advances of freedom in history. In the past four years more than 110 million people have joined the ranks of the free -- and for the first time freedom is taking root in the Middle East."

Very impressive!

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 06:36 PM

You're right, Warriornation. It IS Bush's fault!
:)

"Welfare caseloads have declined almost 60 percent since 1996."

Impressive!

"Today we are witnessing one of the swiftest advances of freedom in history. In the past four years more than 110 million people have joined the ranks of the free -- and for the first time freedom is taking root in the Middle East."

Very impressive!

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 06:38 PM

Alright, we're ready for all the excuses and rebuttals--where are the kooks?

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 06:45 PM

Whoa - chill out, Warmonger & IslamHater 1 - no need to post the same thing 45 times each. We all know you bow to the Decider-in-Chief. One post is enough.

"NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) - The Dow Jones industrial average tumbled nearly 200 points Monday after Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke cited concerns about inflation and slowing economic growth.

Rising oil prices also contributed to the drop, one of the worst on Wall Street so far this year.

The 30-share Dow (down 199.15 to 11,048.72, Charts) sank about 1.8 percent, making it the third-biggest percentage and point loss for the blue-chip index this year."

Did I mention that very-Conservative-esque astronomical deficit?

Posted by: maf53 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 06:45 PM

Maf....there have been some internet issues today, I only posted once and said it was an error. Not sure why it came out 3 times.

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 06:51 PM

maf53

You shouln't rain on the Republican parade. They have so little to celebrate right now, let them have this bit of fantasy to wallow in. Show some compassion to those less fortunate. I'm sure they would do the same for you.

Posted by: Canadian Observer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 06:59 PM

Not a Republican Observer, but that is an awful lot to celebrate if you ask me.


By the way, anyone see this today.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2006/06/the_truth_john_kerry_and_the_n.html

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 07:06 PM

That should have said, I'm not a Republican. Nevertheless, some good things happening. If the GOP could grown a conservative spinal chord I might be able to join their ranks, in the meantime I'll support them when I can and continue to be against many things liberal (not all, but many).

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 07:08 PM

hmmmm

"In the past four years more than 110 million people have joined the ranks of the free and for the first time freedom is taking root in the Middle East. Once ruled by cruel dictatorships, the people of Afghanistan and Iraq are now governed by constitutions and are participating in national elections."

um, Iraq has a population of about 23 million, and Afghanistan has about 25 million. Where do we come up with this "110 million" figure? Like the rest of the article, that's a just another stat that has been exaggerated or completely made up.

This paragraph should really read:
"In the past four years millions of people have joined the ranks of the displaced and the disillusioned - and militaristic, anti-American Islamic fundamentalism is taking even deeper root in the Middle East. Once ruled by cruel dictatorships supported by the US, the people of Afghanistan and Iraq are now governed by chaos."


Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 07:28 PM

Matt, really great post. You could have gone on and on if you wished to list all of President Bush's great accomplishments. God bless our brave troops and President George W. Bush, the greatest president in american history.

Posted by: james allegro at June 5, 2006 07:33 PM

Aarontime...he said in the last 4 years 110 million have joined the ranks of the free. That's INCLUDING Afghanistan and Iraq but not LIMITED too Afghanistan and Iraq.

Now, as for your last paragraph...that is your OPINION. Are you out there surveying radical Islamists so you can determine if the ranks have grown? How do you know this? While you're there trumpeting their beliefs, why aren't you also listening to the many Iraqis and Afghanis who are thrilled to no longer be under the control of the Taliban and Hussein or do their opinions not count?

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 07:36 PM

http://www.illwillpress.com/newz.html

Posted it elsewhere - but it works here also...

Posted by: Kahn [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 07:48 PM

Warriornation -

"he said in the last 4 years 110 million have joined the ranks of the free. That's INCLUDING Afghanistan and Iraq but not LIMITED too Afghanistan and Iraq."

uh, no, that's not really what he said. But lets pretend it is for a moment. Tell me, Warrior - in what other countries do these other 60 million people live that Bush has supposedly "liberated"?

As far as my "opinion" - Afghanistan has accelerated its slip into chaos these last couple years. The Taliban are in full control of about 1/3 of Afghanistan's provinces. In the remaining areas, various warlords rule and regularly terrorize residents. Hamid Karzai is doing his best, but he controls little more than Kabul and some neighboring areas, and has repeatedly complained of lack of follow thru on US promises. Instead of rebuilding Afghanistan and providing security there, the US diverted its resources and military into toppling the secular government of Iraq. NOw in Afghanistan there are increasing incidents of anti-American rioting, with Afghans throwing stones at US vehicles the way Palestinians regularly hurl rocks at Israeli armored carriers.

Iraq is similarly a very insecure place, where civilians face the worst violence since the invasion. The few Iraqi security and police forces that are in place are completely dominated by Shi'a Muslim fundamentalists and infiltrated by terrorists, and the emerging government is heavily stacked with folks dedicated to establishing an Islamic Republic closely allied with Iran. With the western-oriented secularist dictatorship overthrown, these fundamentalists are eager to consolidate their control over the government and complete its transition to a full-fledged Theocracy. Is this what we went to Iraq for? Feel safer now? Nice job, W!

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 08:34 PM

Warriornation -

"he said in the last 4 years 110 million have joined the ranks of the free. That's INCLUDING Afghanistan and Iraq but not LIMITED too Afghanistan and Iraq."

uh, no, that's not really what he said. But lets pretend it is for a moment. Tell me, Warrior - in what other countries do these other 60 million people live that Bush has supposedly "liberated"?

As far as my "opinion" - Afghanistan has accelerated its slip into chaos these last couple years. The Taliban are in full control of about 1/3 of Afghanistan's provinces. In the remaining areas, various warlords rule and regularly terrorize residents. Hamid Karzai is doing his best, but he controls little more than Kabul and some neighboring areas, and has repeatedly complained of lack of follow thru on US promises. Instead of rebuilding Afghanistan and providing security there, the US diverted its resources and military into toppling the secular government of Iraq. NOw in Afghanistan there are increasing incidents of anti-American rioting, with Afghans throwing stones at US vehicles the way Palestinians regularly hurl rocks at Israeli armored carriers.

Iraq is similarly a very insecure place, where civilians face the worst violence since the invasion. The few Iraqi security and police forces that are in place are completely dominated by Shi'a Muslim fundamentalists and infiltrated by terrorists, and the emerging government is heavily stacked with folks dedicated to establishing an Islamic Republic closely allied with Iran. With the western-oriented secularist dictatorship overthrown, these fundamentalists are eager to consolidate their control over the government and complete its transition to a full-fledged Theocracy. Is this what we went to Iraq for? Feel safer now? Nice job, W!

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 08:35 PM

The divorce rate has fallen over a decade, even as acceptance of gays in society has been on the rise... ergo conservatives must work over-time to demonize gays.

The Dow Jones average has gone from 7300 in 2002 to 11,000 in 2006... of course it was at 11,000 in 2001 when Bush took office, so it's just starting to return to the levels it had reached when Clinton handed Bush the strongest economy in our nation's history.

Democracy is on the march in the Middle East... really... no... I'm serious... wait... stop laughing...

Posted by: David Flores at June 5, 2006 08:50 PM

"Whoa - chill out, Warmonger & IslamHater 1- no need to post the same thing 45 times each."-muffy53

It was a server error. I'm glad Warriornation was around to explain it to you. And if you think the murder/conqueror/thief/pedophile Muhammad and Islam are swell, you've got serious issues.


"Both the abortion rate and ratio are at the lowest levels we have seen in the 30-year period these data have been tracked."-Peter Wehner

This is very welcome news, indeed! President Bush has had a positive effect on the nation.
:)

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:02 PM

Ahhhh, the hate-America morons have arrived. Time to go play Zuma...

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:03 PM

Ahhhh, the hate-America morons have arrived. Time to go play Zuma...

Posted by: keefer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:06 PM

Look at this tidbit from Canada

"A Muslim prayer leader who knew the oldest suspect, 43-year-old Qayyum Abdul Jamal, told The Associated Press on Monday that Jamal's sermons at a storefront mosque were "filled with hate" against Canada."

Did I read this correctly? They HATE CANADA? How can this be? Axis will be mortified. LOL

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20060605/D8I2B1TO0.html

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:18 PM

Definition of "White House Office of Strategic Initiatives" as per whitehouse.gov:

Strategic Initiatives
The Office of Strategic Initiatives plans, develops, and coordinates a long-range strategy for achieving Presidential priorities. The office conducts research and assists in message development.

What did you expect from Peter Weener? Doom and gloom? Check your sources.

Posted by: congressive [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:19 PM

That's outstanding Aaron....links to NY Times, LA Times and Washington Post. What's a matter, Howard Dean's news letter or the DNC website wasn't available?

Now, you've eloquently cut and paste links on the doom and gloom side. Why aren't you cutting and pasting links from Iraqis, Afghanis, Iranians in exile, etc that are so very thankful at what we've done? Just curious?

As for the 110,000,000 people, I have no clue where they got that number but if I were to guess it would be based on people's that now have democratic processes that didn't 4 years ago. Or, God forbid, it could be an incorrect statement too. Maybe the intern that wrote it was being used as a cigar humidor and left off a 0 and it was the last "40 years"...I have no idea.

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:26 PM

Warriornut -

"That's outstanding Aaron....links to NY Times, LA Times and Washington Post. What's a matter, Howard Dean's news letter or the DNC website wasn't available?"

oh, you got me good, Warrior. Everyone knows that all reports of current events by our nation's leading newspapers are total lies and fabrications.

oh but wait... the article by Peter Wehner that Matt is trumpeting here was published in... The Washington Post.

What's the matter Matt? Howard Dean's news letter or the DNC website wasn't available??

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 09:59 PM

Warriornut -

"That's outstanding Aaron....links to NY Times, LA Times and Washington Post. What's a matter, Howard Dean's news letter or the DNC website wasn't available?"

oh, you got me good, Warrior. Everyone knows that all reports of current events by our nation's leading newspapers are total lies and fabrications.

oh but wait... the article by Peter Wehner that Matt is trumpeting here was published in... The Washington Post.

What's the matter Matt? Howard Dean's news letter or the DNC website wasn't available??

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 10:00 PM

"Did I read this correctly? They HATE CANADA? How can this be?" Warriornation

Yeah, imagine that! After years of Canada's anti-war drivel, the Islamists still want non-Muslim Canadians dead. "Making nice" with Islamic terrorists doesn't work. Islam teaches Muslims to fight all non-Muslims until Islam dominates the world (that includes Canada):

Narrated Ibn 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah." (Sahih Bukhari 1.24)

Sword Verse in the Qu'ran(9:5): Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them (captive), and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

(from link) [click "Index to Islam, "M", "Muhammad"]: This verse, according to many Muslim commentators, abrogates [replaces] the earlier peaceful verses in the Qur'an involving treatment of non-Muslims. "The Sword Verse...allows Muslims to compel non-Muslims to accept Islam."
**************

Many Islamic scholars agree that offensive war to spread Islam is justified. Here's one Islamic scholar from the link: Azhar’s Scholars in Egypt-In his book, "Jurisprudence in Muhammad’s Biography", the Azhar scholar, Dr. Muhammad Sa’id Ramadan al-Buti says the following (page 134, 7th edition):

"The Holy War, as it is known in Islamic Jurisprudence, is basically an offensive war. This is the duty of Muslims in every age when the needed military power becomes available to them. This is the phase in which the meaning of Holy War has taken its final form. Thus the apostle of God said: ‘I was commanded to fight the people until they believe in God and his message ..."’

This sounds like what the Canadian Muslims believed and did.

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 10:19 PM

Freedom1 -

You can quote just as many violent, hate-filled passages from the Bible. There are parts of the Bible which state that non-believers should be stoned to death, etc etc. Heck, the Bible even advocates death to all those who eat shellfish... been to Red Lobster lately, freedom1?

Personally, I'm no fan of Islam. I just think the world would be a whole lot better place if it were free from all religions. Why don't all you Christians and Muslim and Jews go establish a colony on the moon where you can fight to your hearts content, and leave the rest of us to live on Earth in peace.

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 10:29 PM

"You can quote just as many violent, hate-filled passages from the Bible." Posted by: Aarontime

You don't understand Christianity, do you? Jesus Christ arrived and banished the violence of the Old Testament. With Islam, it started out "peaceful" when Muhammad was weak and had few followers, but when Muhammad grew strong and wealthy and had tens of thousands of followers he waged battle after battle and finally issued a declaration of war against all non-Muslims until Islam dominates the entire world-the Sword Verse.

"Personally, I'm no fan of Islam." Posted by: Aarontime

Good.

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 10:37 PM

PIMF: "...but when Muhammad grew strong and wealthy, he waged battle after battle and when he had tens of thousands of followers he finally issued a declaration of war against all non-Muslims until Islam dominates the entire world-the Sword Verse.

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 10:45 PM

freedom1 -

"You don't understand Christianity, do you? Jesus Christ arrived and banished the violence of the Old Testament."

OK, freedom, so does that mean all that stuff in Leviticus about gays being an abomination is null and void? Don't look now, free, but your president is trying to make that a permanent part of our Constitution...

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 11:04 PM

"OK, freedom, so does that mean all that stuff in Leviticus about gays being an abomination is null and void?"

Dude, I said Christ's arrival banished the violence of the Old Testament. Homosexual behavior is still a sin, but violence against homosexuals is not permitted.

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 11:13 PM

Most of the statistics that the article mentioned (especially in the social area) could have been and probably were part of a trend that started (I think the article said...) 12 years ago.

A lot of things truly are good; I am not one to dispute that. Saying that Bush is entirely responsible is slightly skewing the data, but this isn't blogsforobjectivetruth, it's blogsforbush.

Posted by: Georgia Frawg [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 11:17 PM

Passage Luke 19:27: 27But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me."
-www.bible.com (Jesus said that one)

That seems pretty hate-filled to me, but I'm no biblical scholar...

Posted by: Georgia Frawg [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 5, 2006 11:25 PM

maf53:
I read about the terrible stock market fall. Lucky Bush failed in privatizing Social Security, but he is still trying.

Social Security was created because people lost their retirement savings in the stock market crash of 1929. It was meant as an insurance policy so people would have a stipends to live on in case their retirement plans failed.
Linking SS to the stock market is like welding the lifeboats to the cruise ship.

Posted by: Marcus at June 5, 2006 11:40 PM

"That seems pretty hate-filled to me, but I'm no biblical scholar..." Posted by: Georgia Frawg

Sigh. Are you so lost that you actually believe that Jesus Christ who said "love your neighbor" and "love your enemy" would be "hate-filled"??? Sad. Read the commentary about the parable:

Parable of Stewardship and the Minas (19:11-27)

(scroll half-way down)

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 12:16 AM

Well the Bush White House may be a failure at policy, but it sure is an expert in spin, LOL! I almost thought Wehner was talking about another country-didn't recognize the U.S. in all of that baloney. If things are going so well why has the Bush Administration fired everyone who gave them a dose of reality?? Gen Shinseki, Gen. Mcaffrey, Larry Lindsay, Paul O'Neill, government scientists who warned about global warming, etc, etc.

Its as though someone over there (Cheney or Rove) comes up with this uber-rosy outlook on everything-the war, the economy, the reorganization of FEMA......Anyone who points out the inconvenient facts gets the boot.

What they haven't figured out, is that America started tuning out after the Decider declared "Mission Accomplished" a little prematurely.

Posted by: kritter at June 6, 2006 12:29 AM

With Islam, it started out "peaceful" when Muhammad was weak and had few followers, but when Muhammad grew strong and wealthy and had tens of thousands of followers he waged battle after battle and finally issued a declaration of war against all non-Muslims until Islam dominates the entire world-

-- Sounds exactly like George Bush. Stayed on the longest Presidential vacation in history while he was weak and waited until 9/11 and then waged war on the entire middle east, one country at a time.

You suppose Dubya is actually Islamic?

Posted by: axis [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 01:19 AM

With Islam, it started out "peaceful" when Muhammad was weak and had few followers, but when Muhammad grew strong and wealthy and had tens of thousands of followers he waged battle after battle and finally issued a declaration of war against all non-Muslims until Islam dominates the entire world-

-- Sounds exactly like George Bush. Stayed on the longest Presidential vacation in history while he was weak and waited until 9/11 and then waged war on the entire middle east, one country at a time.

You suppose Dubya is actually Islamic?

Posted by: axis [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 01:21 AM

Freedom1 -

I think Georgia's point - and mine - was not that Christianity or Jesus are necessarily "hate-filled" (or at least, they are not any more hate-filled than Judaism or Islam). The point was simply that you can cherry-pick passages out of any long religious text to make that religion seem full of hate and violence - if that is your bent.

Hypothetical Muslim bloggers at BlogsforTaliban.com, for example, could cite numerous passages from the Bible that advocate hate and a disturbing level of intolerance. If you happened to be an Islamic blogger, you could easily take quotes from Pat Robertson, Jack Van Impe, or any number of Christian loons out there, to "prove" how dispicable Christianity is. I am sure you could also find quotes from the aforementioned crack-pots that say in essense that "offensive war to spread Christianity is justified." After all, isn't that pretty much what Anne Coulter said? How do you think lines like "we should kill all of their leaders and convert their people to Christianity" go over in the Muslim world? Sounds pretty war-like, doesn't it? Somewhere, I am sure some Muslim blogger is ranting "so much for Christianity being the Reiligion of Peace"! (do you think Muslims make the fine distinction that Anne Coulter doesn't speak for Christianity?)

Posted by: Aarontime [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 02:34 AM

i think I'm smelling more bullshiznit...... aarontime is that you? Oh great and now you have axis joining you!!!


All I can say is that I love good news, keep it coming!!!


Oh yeah, freedom don't cast your pearls before swine, they will deny them until they are blue in the face. Actually that would be kinda kool to see!

Posted by: bearmanUSMC [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 03:50 AM

Hi Aarontime

Aarontime: The point was simply that you can cherry-pick passages out of any long religious text to make that religion seem full of hate and violence - if that is your bent.

I understand your point. One needs to take all of the scriptures together. Freedom1's statements could may be correct - its up to you to research the Quran and Hadith further. Is both the Bible and Quran true? Or is one true and the other false? Are both false?

One interesting study is to compare what the Bible says about Jesus and what the Hadith and Quran say about Muhammad. A couple of points:

Jesus never killed any one; Muhammad did
Jesus never married; Muhammad had 20 wives
Jesus spoke well of woman; Muhammad did not
Jesus layed down his life for others; Muhammad did not


Cheers

JJ

Posted by: JJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 09:51 AM

Hi Aarontime

Aarontime: The point was simply that you can cherry-pick passages out of any long religious text to make that religion seem full of hate and violence - if that is your bent.

I understand your point. One needs to take all of the scriptures together. Freedom1's statements could may be correct - its up to you to research the Quran and Hadith further. Is both the Bible and Quran true? Or is one true and the other false? Are both false?

One interesting study is to compare what the Bible says about Jesus and what the Hadith and Quran say about Muhammad. A couple of points:

Jesus never killed any one; Muhammad did
Jesus never married; Muhammad had 20 wives
Jesus spoke well of woman; Muhammad did not
Jesus layed down his life for others; Muhammad did not


Cheers

JJ

Posted by: JJ [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 09:53 AM

There could not be clearer proof that the Left hates good news about this country like roaches hate daylight. It sends them scurrying into defense mode, which to a liberal means ATTACK. But then, everything to a liberal means ATTACK.

Again, I ponder on the dim, dark, murky reality of these people, these people who choose to live lives of despair and misery and who are so evangelical about their gloom and doom.

Long before Ann Coulter's recent book, I was describing liberalism as a belief system, akin to the most narrow-minded of any religion, and speculated on the type of personality that would go out of its way to choose and then commit to a belief system based on negativism. hostility, hatred, and spite.

It is also clear that B4B is a threat to these losers, as they appear to be recruiting posters to swamp the site. Good for you guys....as a belief system committed wholeheartedly to the unattainable, this is perfectly in step with the rest of your philosophy.

Posted by: Almiranta [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 10:14 AM

"There could not be clearer proof that the Left hates good news about this country like roaches hate daylight."

Open your eyes, Almi:

"BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nearly 1,400 Iraqi civilians died in a wave of targeted killings in Baghdad last month, according to a high-ranking Iraqi Health Ministry official.

The figure does not include civilians killed in insurgent bombings, the official said. Even so, the number is the highest monthly death toll in the capital since the war began three years ago."

You see that there - this figure does NOT INCLUDE civilians killed in insurgent bombings.

Oh I can't take all this good news at once! Living is easy with eyes closed, Almi ...

Posted by: maf53 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 11:27 AM

I feel like singing! Oh what a beautiful morning, oh what a beautiful day, I get the wonderful feeling everything is coming my way.

I read your post's and I start to gush. It is so good, how can it get any better?

Once we squash the islamofacists with the heel of our boot we can move on to even better things.

Once we turn all those homo's into God fearing American's again we will move on to better things.

Once we get all those dirty Mexicano border crossing illegals out of here we can move on to better things.

Once we get rid of all those loose women who have them babies killed we can move on to better things.

Once we drill into Alaska and off the coast of California we will have enough oil to drown a mullah. We can move on to better things.

Once we get all those ecofreaks to realize that global warming is junk science, we can move on to better things.

Once we get the rest of the world to realize that our dollar and only our dollar will be used to trade oil, we can move on to better things.

Once all the hippie, deadbeat, hatemongering, hate the U.S.A. libs out of here we can move on to better things.

Once the demolibs realize that W has only our best interests at heart, we can move on to better things.

Yes, its's so much better now...I will sing again.

Oh what a beautiful morning...

Posted by: raker13 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 12:49 PM

Axis...why do they hate Canada so much?


LOL

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 12:57 PM

WHY do these guys hate Canada so much? The peaceloving Canadians that can go ANYWHERE in the world?

Why?

Why?

Why?


LOL

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 03:34 PM

12 years of GOP control? Ahem...WRONG!!

As Senator Feingold of Wisconsin so eloquently put it today: "The Democrats were in the majority in the U.S. Senate when we voted for the Iraq war and passed the U.S. Patriot Act," he said. "It's not enough to be in the majority, you have to stand for something."

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 03:50 PM

I was gonna respond to this religious stuff, but I keep getting deleted for being "off-topic." Guess I haven't figured out the formula yet.

Yes, it is a happy story, virtually right out of the White House itself, blissfully untouched by journalistic hands. "The writer is deputy assistant to the president and director of the White House's Office of Strategic Initiatives."

Posted by: congressive [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 04:29 PM

Congressive

Much like George Stephanopulis and Dee Dee Meyers and others used to do...right? Of course George still does it now for the left every Sunday morning on ABC.


By the way, maybe you could answer for me why these Muslims hate Canada? No one else will answer it.

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 05:07 PM

Warrior,
Where are those Canadians? axis and CO should be around here lecturing us about why the Moslem world hates us for being in Saudi Arabia.
Maybe the Canadians should have bought their prayer rugs in a more obsequious manner.
They're not worthy, They're not worthy!

Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 05:19 PM

Warrior, Bane,

I keep hearing the song from South Park, "Blame Canada! Blame Canada!"
:P

Posted by: Freedom1 [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 05:42 PM

Warrior, Bane, etc.

Spain, England, U.S.A., Bali, Canada. Terrorists targets can be anywhere. There are no borders. We do not debate that terrorism has to be eliminated. But you do not eliminate terrorism by invading countries, killing innocent civilians and laying waste to their countries. The war on terror cannot be won by governments intent on advancing their own agenda. This is a sure-fire way to recruit more terrorists.

Posted by: Canadian Observer [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 07:26 PM

So, if you Canadians didn't invade Iraq, or torture prisoners, or even draw pictures of the Prophet, why do the Moslems hate Canadians?
Please, we require another lecture on how we should behave to prevent terror cells from forming in our midst.

Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 07:47 PM

maf says:

""BAGHDAD, Iraq (CNN) -- Nearly 1,400 Iraqi civilians died in a wave of targeted killings in Baghdad last month, according to a high-ranking Iraqi Health Ministry official.

The figure does not include civilians killed in insurgent bombings, the official said. Even so, the number is the highest monthly death toll in the capital since the war began three years ago."

OK, maf, I'll ask you the same question I asked Blarney in another thread---how do you identify "civilians"? Is this quote supposed to prove that Americans are slaughtering "civilians" and if so how is this category defined? And by whom? Another anonymous source, I note. Another "high-ranking official" who just doesn't happent have a name or anything that could be used to determine his veracity, objectivity, agenda,or even existence.

See, in the old style war, the combatants wore uniforms. They were fighting for a certain country, they wore the uniform of that country, and they fought the other army. In this war, the combatants on the other side wear civilian clothes, they hide behind (or in) women's skirts, they hide behind children, they hide in mosques, and they try to pass as civilians.

So how do you KNOW those killed were not combatants? Do you consider a person to be a "civilian" as he sets off an IED, just because he is not wearing a uniform?

A recent report on the so-called "civilian" deaths pointed out that true civilian casualties would show a predictable range of certain demographics---a certain percentage of old men and women, a certain percentage of young men and women, a certain percentage of children. Funniest thing, the "civilian" deaths in Iraq are more than 90% young men, approximately 17-23.

How terribly convenient for the anti-war hysterics to casually identify anyone not in uniform as a "civilian", knowing that the gullible left, so eager to hear anything they can use against the war effort and Bush, will never stop to think about how they got their so-called 'information' or how meaningful it is. Why should they? They never have in the past.

Until you have a way to determine who is and who is not a civilian, spare us the tripe about the poor innocent "civilians" dying at the hands of the liberators. A man with a bomb is the enemy, not a civilian, no matter how he is dressed. A woman who hides this terrorist, supports him, shelters him, and then expects a pass because she is a woman is a combatant, gender aside, clothing aside.

If they want accurate figures, they should stop fighting like cowards and make it possible to identify them.

Posted by: Almiranta [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 6, 2006 10:20 PM

WHY do these guys hate Canada so much? The peaceloving Canadians that can go ANYWHERE in the world?

-- I already answered your question in another thread. Read the article, it says clearly that their problem was related to Canada's participation in Afganistan.

Posted by: axis [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2006 02:29 AM

WHY do these guys hate Canada so much? The peaceloving Canadians that can go ANYWHERE in the world?

-- I already answered your question in another thread. Read the article, it says clearly that their problem was related to Canada's participation in Afganistan.

Posted by: axis [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2006 02:29 AM

axis, is there no limit to your stupidity? Afghanistan has absolutely nothing to do with Canadian Muslims hating Canada.

They hate Canada for a lot of reasons, and were hating Canada long before 2001. Just as they hated England, and the United States, and the entire West.

You are infidels. You let your women work and drive cars and wear revealing clothes, and you do not sanction beating them or stoning them to death. You make and watch and export movies and television which they not only find disgusting, but feel represents the true nature of the West. You eat pork. You drink liquor. You take drugs. You are not Muslim. You are not Muslim. You are not Muslim. You are not Muslim.

Afghanistan has nothing to do with it.

What you simply cannot get through your pointy little head is that this is not about US---it is about THEM.

To bring it closer to home---you know how your obsessive hatred of All That Is Bush colors your entire perspective on life? You know how it affects your opinion on everything? You know how you are absolutely incapable of accepting anything that might contradict your feelings, no matter how factual or well documented? You know how your entire philosophy is based on, and guided by, hatred of a segment of the world rather than on anything good or positive or productive? You know how you have given over your life to irrational loathing? You know how you use it to excuse everything?

Well, that's the way the radical Islamists are.

Posted by: Almiranta [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 8, 2006 07:24 PM

Almiranta,
There is no limit to axis stupidity, on another thread he claimed that if the US withdraws the troops and send in "peacekeepers" there will be no more problems with radical Islamists.
On yet another thread, he challenged the California election results with the indisputable "I highly doubt that." Can't argue with logic like that!
He also claims that Mexicans are flooding the borders because of NAFTA, and "Average incomes are lower today adjusted for inflation than they were in 1975." "Republicans always have out of control spending and debts that always need a responsible democrat to fix"

My personal favorite is this quote, "Liberals make things happen"

Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence [TypeKey Profile Page] at June 9, 2006 12:09 PM

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