Mark,
It was good to see you check in from NJ. Don't leave us too long without the Noonan Clear Thinking.

Hope you read Michelle Malkin's site and the apology/whiney defence from Gerald Baker of the London Times. Crikey, can't they just say sorry and get on with it? No they can't. In fact, today's Times front page carries ANOTHER exaggeration from Tim Reid on the 3rd atrocity of US forces. (3rd? what was number 2?) It's not till the 7th paragraph that they print the US military as refuting the charge.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,3-2208902,00.html
To their credit, the Times withdrew the erroneous (and diabolical) photo. But I still hope the Marines in question sue their sox off.
And what saddens me further is that I have friends in England who believe the Times to be pretty much gospel. No matter how I try to explain the error to them, it's too late: the photo of the bloody Iraqi dead will be in their minds forever.

We're the "good guys"? Even if the allegations are not true, the damage has been done. Thanks to incidents like this one and Abu Ghraib, America is hated now more than ever. George ("Bring 'em on") Bush and Dick ("I think they're in the last throes, if you will, of the insurgency") Cheney were wrong on just about everything connected with Iraq. Terrorism has increased, not decreased, because of the war started by these two clowns.

Cheney said this in 2005: "America will be safer in the long run when Iraq, and Afghanistan as well, are no longer safe havens for terrorists or places where people can gather and plan and organize attacks against the United States." After 3 years of war in Iraq, we're a long, long way from this rosy picture. And do you remember the recent anti-American rioting in Afghanistan?

How many more years of war, how many more dollars, and how many more American and Iraqi lives are you willing to sacrifice? This is not the War on Terror. It is a civil war started by Bush and Cheney, and now our troops are in the middle of it.

Regarding another of America's disasterous wars, Robert S. McNamara said: ""We were wrong, terribly wrong....We do not have the God-given right to shape every nation in our own image as we choose."

How long will it take before this reality penetrates your thick skull?

Mark,

Welcome to the Garden State. Even though this is a blue state, there are alot of red dots here. Those red dots who don't reflexivly blame america first, who love our president and who love freedom.

Crikey, indeed. "Clear thinking"? Oh, man....

Noonan wrote:

"I would like to take note that the second atrocity allegation turned out to be bogus - more and more I'm certain that Haditha was a complete set up by terrorists and/or their sympathisers."

It's awe-inspiring how easily you roll over like dogs, never questioning how we--the US military--cleared ourselves of any misconduct. It wouldn't be so absurd if an impartial third party, or even the Iraqi government, did the investigating and concluded that we are in the clear. However, the military "investigated" itself.

For citizens who rant about how "the Left" is prosecuting the US military before the investigations are complete, you are an amazingly passive-aggressive bunch of little prosecutors yourselves, non? Anyway, so you are very happy that the US military cleared itself of any misconduct. Just like Charlie Manson cleared himself. Just like Saddam Hussein cleared himself.

You folks are becoming so masochistic it's astonishing. Woof woof. Nice little doggies. Bow down before the one you serve....

Having served for twenty years in the military, bin, I might assert that the military does a rather thorough job investigating military conduct. We do have the UCMJ, you know. And we don't engage in cover-ups, as is done in the civilian community frequently.

Bow down before this, fool...

Having served for twenty years in the military, bin, I might assert that the military does a rather thorough job investigating military conduct. We do have the UCMJ, you know. And we don't engage in cover-ups, as is done in the civilian community frequently.

-- You actually learned a thing or two in your 20 years of peeling potatoes and scrubing toilets huh? Too bad you sniffed a little too much of Saddams mustard gas and it liquidified your brain cells.

What you say above was true historically, but then you actually had honorable people in the shite house and as Sec. of Defense. Now that you have old NosFeratu aka Donald Rumsfeld in charge, theres no limit to how mush he will cover up to avoid a scandal.

"How about thinking of as the good guys unless proven otherwise?"

The press does not think in terms of "good guys" and "bad guys," which i think is why many of you feel they are somehow against the united states. the press reports on what they find and what others tell them.

As far as this incident in which the US military cleared its troops, well, I read a story about it a couple days ago and was skeptical about the charges. It wasn't because of the way the news was reported, but because of what was reported.

In the same vain, from the reports about Habitha that I've read, I feel that some marines probably did some bad things. The press has consistantly done a great job in reporting from Iraq. In fact, the owners of this site have use their reports almost everyday. I'd like to think they'd show some deference to them, especially in light of the number of deaths of reporters in Iraq, instead of consistantly bashing them.

Sorry, axis of dumbassery, your post was so riddled with errors, as usual, that I couldn't much understand what your stupid ass was trying to say.

The press has consistantly done a great job in reporting from Iraq.

Sure, Tommy, if all you want is the bad news, then the press has done a great job. You sure do defend the drive-by media a lot; are you in journalism? You are, aren't you? You deliver newspapers, don't you?

"The press has consistantly done a great job in reporting from Iraq. In fact, the owners of this site have use their reports almost everyday. I'd like to think they'd show some deference to them, especially in light of the number of deaths of reporters in Iraq, instead of consistantly bashing them."

LOL!!! There are numerous examples of great things happening in Iraq and Afghanistan that most Americans would never hear of if not for alternate media sources. This site does NOT hold up reporters articles to praise them, rather it does it to show how silly and wrong they are most of the time.
As far as the death of a few embedded reporters go, we are sorry. Let's remember they went to make a paycheck were as our soldiers went to make sure we continue to have the freedoms we take for granted, one being the right for the press to print what ever crap they decide to dish out.

Keefer wrote:

"Having served for twenty years in the military, bin, I might assert that the military does a rather thorough job investigating military conduct. We do have the UCMJ, you know. And we don't engage in cover-ups, as is done in the civilian community frequently."

Keefer, man, if we don't engage in "cover-ups," let's use some different jargon. How 'bout "chain-of-command failure." Makes it easier for lifers like you to swallow, I suppose, since you're a chain-of-command junkie; but, for the rest of us, who haven't been brainwashed, "cover-up" is apt.

According to "an official" in another report, "Information may have been stove-piped," the connotation being "funneled elsewhere," "blocked," "smokey," "sauteed with mushrooms and onions" or what-have-you. If you have indeed been twenty years in the military, then you know what this official is talking about. If you deny it, it just means you're lying.

"Drive-by media"? Don't you realize that you are the media--and that you are engaging in one of the more common forms of blickystank drive-bys--reckless swerving, labelling anyone who questions authority as enemies of the state?

Here, look at the pathetic VOLPAC ad on this site. Click on the beady-eyed Iranian dude, he's gritting his teeth and shaking his fist, and it'll take you to a place where you have to look at that spiral-eyed ol' Bill Frist, the "doctor" who took a look at a few minutes of video of Terri Schiavo and pronounced her lucid and alert. He's the "chairman." You guys can't argue yourselves out of your own way.

bin, you're just another brainwashed waste of our time here, but welcome anyway. At least you write understandable posts. We'll just agree to disagree, because there's nothing you, and the rest of the Neo-Marxists can say or do that will change my opinion of the left in this country. Good day...

Axis,

Another post .... another $$$.

The people who brought us the debacle in Iraq should be fired, begining with Rumsfeld. Then,without conditions, we should reestablish full diplomatic relations with Iran. The next step is to take away Israel's nuclear weapons,while pressuring Pakistan and India to give up thier nuclear weapons. That is the road towards Peace and not the Zionist-neo-con-armageddonist road toward continuing war. Peace

axis (and your left wing liberal associates),

Speaking of toilets... looks like you flushed yours again as usual. Aren't there any disposal facilities up there in Canada and wherever the rest of "axis" resides? (Maybe that's why you say you are American and Canadian.)

And axis, ye' ol' military expert, what did you learn while serving in AMERICA's military?

Nothing! If you had, you would know that troops don't do much peeling potatoes or scrubbing toilets. They have real jogs to do, among them protecting the country -- The United States -- that protects your southern border... you might say your "rear" or ___ (fill in the blank!).

Perhaps you should sign up for a four-year-tour with some REAL Americans like the Army, or better still the Marines. When the Marines say "a few good men", they mean just that. Not many people have what it takes to be a Marine, or an Army soldier. If you survived the basic training, then go apply for the special forces. Let's see how you compare that to cleaning toilets. Maybe they will even assign you to a special unit climbing through the mountains of Afghanistan or Pakistan searching through caves and the homes of sympathizers who might be hiding ol' bin Laden. ...Knowing you, however, you will opt for the toilets!

Let's see how you react after weeks or months of people sniping at you from houses and hiding terrorists who are trying to kill you and who are blowing up your friends. Let's see how you react after months of wondering if the next car you pass will be your last. Let's see how you react after months of cleaning up the body parts of your friends and innocent Iraqi men, women, and children, blown all over the streets and countryside by those "nice" terrorists of yours. Let's see if you "snap" or go "temporarily insane", "crazy", "out of your mind", or whatever term you want to describe is as that final straw breaks when yet another of your best friends are blown to bits. How many of your friends -- shot by snipers or blown to bits right by your very side -- would it take before you temporarily lost control of your sanity and senses?

The fact is, axis, you aren't interested in those civilians. You aren't interested in knowing or explaining what may have happened or the circumstances that may have caused the "alleged" incident. You are only interesting in taking yet another isolated event and blowing it out of all proportion to use for your propaganda purposes. The only interest you have is in how much fodder it will provide to your liberal zombies, the liberal press, and how long you can keep it there. Your only purpose is to slander, denigrate, demonize, and demean the character of our military and the United States.

It's bad enough that you do that as a Canadian, but worse yet that your liberal American "friends" can't find something else less destructive to attach rather than exaggerating everything about America you can think of in order to provide America's enemies with even more reason to attack our troops and our country. You want only to incite others to breed more terrorists, to encourage terrorists to kill more American troops, and -- more Iraqi men, women, children, their relatives, and friends.

In fact, axis, you and your liberal propaganda machine -- by encouraging terrorists and those who will become terrorists because of it -- have caused, and ultimately will cause, the deaths of far more people than the accidental deaths caused by our troops. Who knows how many deaths will ultimately be caused directly or indirectly by your anti-American, anti-military slanderous "free speech" propaganda. The problem is, we can't identify those and stack them at your feet and in piles you can see! People must have common sense, understanding, and the ability to think in order to see those piles of dead and injured! You do make a good case for putting restrictions on free speech.

And you call Canada a "friend" of the United States? Yes, it once was -- the best -- and one that I held in the highest regards, right alongside of America. Those days are gone for now, however, with the liberalization of Canada and it's ideas and ideals. The problem is, our own liberal Americans are doing all they can to do the same to America -- as fast as they can and as soon as possible.

You and the liberal left continue to encourage America's enemies and don't even have the sense to understand that or the consequences of your own actions. But -- as you say -- that's your "free speech" right, protected by the Constitution -- until some judge changes it of course!

AAR

"As far as the death of a few embedded reporters go, we are sorry. Let's remember they went to make a paycheck were as our soldiers went to make sure we continue to have the freedoms we take for granted, one being the right for the press to print what ever crap they decide to dish out."

Oh, so that's the reason we went to Iraq. To protect the freedom of the press for Americans. That's mighty heroic of the president, willing to sacrifice the lives of thousands of Americans and tens of thousands of Iraqis just so the liberal media can stay in business. I wonder how our soldiers feel about that.

AAR

The military would not be subject to the daily horror they endure in Iraq if Bush had not put them in harms' way, and all for bogus reasons.

The Bush administration and their misguided decisions are responsible for this terrible mess and how anyone can justify thier actions makes me question his judgement.

C.O.

You know... that is exactly one of the lame brained replies I fully expected back from the "extensive" liberal repertoire -- I expected no less.

I actually expected it from axis first, but you beat him to it. Did you have to look it up or do you have it memorized -- a tape recorder (CD, DVD, etc.) can do equally as well and it has no brains or thought capability at all. I have another list that was just as equally likely to be parroted back... I'll wait to see who's the next "thinker" to post one of those. I even deleted a couple of comments to preclude some of you liberal's repetitive replies.

Now, "why" our troops are there is not the issue here. The issue is... Why are you, axis, and liberals demeaning and slandering our troops and the United States and continuing with your propaganda that only serves to incite more terrorism and ultimately more deaths of innocent people -- perhaps even Canadians -- at some yet to be known time it the future?

I've got to run now, but I'll get back to you later. I just wanted to let you know I didn't miss your well thought out reply.

AAR

AAR

One more time --- Bush & his administration are the only ones I am, in your words, "demeaning & slandering". American citizens & those brave men & women serving in the military deserve nothing less than a competent leader.

C.O.

Polly want a cracker?

AAR

Sounds like the entire left is on the side of "We Don't Need No Steenkin' Jury" Murtha, ready and eager to defame any military person at any opportunity.

I am not the only one to note and comment on the gruesome glee of the looniest of the left, the absolute JOY at being able to think that some American military had done something bad. And what struck me was the desire for it to be true.

I simply cannot imagine what it would be like to be axis or Tom or CO or bin, waking up every morning hoping that something awful has happened to this country, mourning (or denying) every one of our triumphs and cackling with glee at every real or imagined misfortune. I can't imagine what it must be like to be one of those for whom what is good for the country makes them miserable, and what hurts the country gives them joy.

Remember the poll a few months back, showing that conservatives are happier and more successful than liberals, who seem sunk in gloom and despair? What I don't get is that they seek out gloom and despair, roll around in it, glory in it, and view it somehow as a sign of superiority. Personally, I LIKE being proud of my country, proud of its service men and women and grateful to them, even though one of the freedoms they fight for is for pinheads like the above-mentioned to spout their inannity at will. I LIKE having a president I can respect and admire even when I don't agree with him, and I like seeing successs after success continue to make this country even greater. If I woke up every morning with the sick twisted perspective I see posted here by the loonies, I could not stand it. Knowing I created that perspective by denying the truth and pursuing lies and distortions would make it even worse. It's bad enough to have to experience it at a distance.

And axis, ye' ol' military expert, what did you learn while serving in AMERICA's military?

Nothing! If you had, you would know that troops don't do much peeling potatoes or scrubbing toilets. They have real jogs to do, among them protecting the country -- The United States -- that protects your southern border... you might say your "rear" or ___ (fill in the blank!).

-- That was called a JOKE son, I guess they don't those in them thar hills where you live.

The fact is, axis, you aren't interested in those civilians. You aren't interested in knowing or explaining what may have happened or the circumstances that may have caused the "alleged" incident. You are only interesting in taking yet another isolated event and blowing it out of all proportion to use for your propaganda purposes.

-- Nope, actually my point is that this incident is a natural byproduct of the way that RUMMY has set up this war. Troops being sent out in an illegal war to die for 30K a year, without proper body armour, without proper armoured vehicles, without proper troop numbers to get the job done, without being properly cared for or fed 3 squares a day.

There is not a single thing that you have touched since you have assumed office 5 years ago that you have not broken or screwed up.

"The military would not be subject to the daily horror they endure in Iraq if Bush had not put them in harms' way, and all for bogus reasons."

Congratulations, Canadian Deserter. You win the all-time prize for most bullshit per word ever posted on the Internet:

"The Military Would Not Be Subject to the Daily Horror They Endure In Iraq if Bush [did not do whatever Bush did]...." ACTUAL TRUTH: "The mainstream media would not subject Americans to the daily horror of all the idiotic bullshit they print about Iraq if they didn't hate Western Civilization so much."

"... [Bad things wouldn't happen] If Bush Had Not Put Them In Harms' Way....": TRANSLATION: "Canadian Deserter believes that engaging any Western military in combat is immoral if it actually advances the cause of Western Civilization."

"...And All For Bogus Reasons": TRANSLATION: "Canadian Deserter believes that anything that advances the cause of Western Civilization is bogus."

Your bullshit quotient, Canadian Deserter, is about 30%, and your prize: An emergency appendectomy in Libya. Don't die waiting.

"There is not a single thing that you have touched since you have assumed office 5 years ago that you have not broken or screwed up." Posted by: axis

President Bush freed 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. Remember when liberals actually cared about freedom and liberty? I don't. But, I'm sure someone does.

Remember when liberals actually cared about freedom and liberty? I don't. But, I'm sure someone does.

I don't either, Freedom1. Ever since the 60's, liberals have been all about hating America, blaming America. Despite the left, we've still managed to remain the greatest country God ever gave man. But you can't say they haven't tried to destroy this country. They continue, only now they call themselves progressives. I call them Neo-Marxists. They're still the same as they always were; they still hate the country that gives them the freedom to hate.

BTW, axis is a window-licker on the short bus...

Liberals' self-loathing has actually become a national security problem.

Hey axis,

Don't you just love the 'compassionate conservatism' that keefer and Freedom1 are spreading on this site? lol

"Don't you just love the 'compassionate conservatism' that keefer and Freedom1 are spreading on this site?"

Teenage Wasteland: Freedom1's observation about liberal self-loathing being "a national security problem" is actually VERY compassionate -- to those of us who want to preserve our lives and our way of life. Too bad you hate both.

ACTUAL TRUTH: "The mainstream media would not subject Americans to the daily horror of all the idiotic bullshit they print about Iraq if they didn't hate Western Civilization so much."

-- JPL, you are a riot. You fall in line without a second thought at any of the Bush talking points. You've got bootcamp mentality, you follow directions and their thoughts are your thoughts.

Do you know how stupid you sound? Even to morderate Republicans. Bad ass shit is going down over there and you blame the media for reporting the truth? Bad ass shit is going down over here in government and you blame the media for uncovering the corruption, lies and lawbreaking.

Ever considered that if CONSERVATIVES could do ANYTHING at ALL right, that there would not be anything negative to report on?

You act like you expect the media to start making up bullshit news stories and propaganda to feed to americans instead of the truth.

Face it, its the ugly truth. This generation of conservatives are INCOMPETANT. They screw up a war in Iraq, screw up the war on terror in afganistan, screw up catching bin laden, screw up crushing Al Quada, screw up hurricane response, screw up american democracy, screw up american rights and freedoms, screw up the constitution.

You have the midas touch, everything you touch turns to crap.

President Bush freed 50 million Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq. Remember when liberals actually cared about freedom and liberty? I don't. But, I'm sure someone does.

-- Yup, he freed them up to become stronger muslims and also to allow them to start killing one another, and you.

Great Job.

Liberals' self-loathing has actually become a national security problem.

-- Actually, CONSERVATIVE INCOMPETANCE is the national security problem.

You have more pedophiles in homeland security than the Catholic Church.

Remember that great conservative DUBAI ports deal? - Pass off american security to the Arabs? Awesome idea.

How about bin laden? Still loose and making tapes and making americas war on terror the laughing stock to the world.

How about Al Quada? Crushed? Nope, stronger than ever, many, many times stronger numbers than before you began the war on terror

9/11? Bush knew about a serious threat involving planes a month before it happened...did NOTHING

Katrina? Bush knew DAYS before Katrina hit it was going to be bad and levees would likely fail. DID NOTHING, stayed on vacation.

Iraq War? Bush was told not in invade as it would open the gates of hell that they could never close. Ignored it and screwed it up just like they said.

Border security? A congressional test tested the border and found they could easily get nuclear devices into the US right under the border agents noses.

Airport security? A congressional test of security found 100% of those airports tested FAILED and allowed people to carry explosive devices onto the airliner.

Ports security? Republicans have rejected democratic bills for 5 years that would allow 100% of incoming shipping containers to be scanned. Instead, they are ok with only 4% being scanned. More important to spend money on Iraq than preventing nuclear devices from being smuggled in to the US.

Illegal spying? 5 years in place now and not a single report of it catching a single terrorist. There are lots of reports of indunating the FBI with BS leads and tips, thus preventing them from actually doing their jobs.

Yep, looks like you have a great handle on national security alright.

axis,

Could you label the posts you mean as jokes so us "hill folk" can tell the difference!

AAR

Axis -- Without a doubt, you are one of the most ignorant posters in the entire blogosphere. Muslims terrorists have been murdering Westerners for over 40 years. (You may not know this, but September 11 was simply a dramatic escalation of the murderous war Islamic terrorists have been waging against the West for decades.) Wahhabi Muslims have been murdering non-Wahhabi Muslims for 250 years. Sunni and Shiite Muslims have been killing each other for even longer than that. So your claim that Bush's freeing 50 million Muslims "allows them to start killing one another, and [us]" is pure idiocy.

Please go back to kindergarten and don't come back here until you can cite actual historical facts, instead of mouthing Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist, Maoist, Kerryist, Deanist, and Pelosiist blather.

axis,

And if it were up to you, the Taliban would still be "governing" Afghanistan and Saddam and his two playful sons would still be ruling Iraq?

AAR

C.O.

Liberals may choose to believe that President Bush is the only one they are demeaning and slandering -- at least you admit that -- but you are in fact slandering and demeaning the United States and our military. Liberals are encouraging terrorists and terrorism. How many lives will that ultimately cost?

The next time you need help, give France a call!

AAR

From the Washington Times commentary:

"...but as the shrinks are wont to say, 'If it is true for you, it is true for you.'  
For a certitude, left wing Democrats believe whatever they believe is true."

AAR

I wonder if the people interviewed in this NYT article about Bush feature some of our very own Bush cultists on this site:

"'I like George Bush because he is God fearing, and that's how a lot of people in this area feel.'"

"'I tend to judge a person by their character. And President Bush reminds me of President Reagan. He's a man of principle.'"

"'He's strong, and he doesn't waver. I like that he is for the family, that marriage should only be between a man and woman. And the war, we need to finish what we started.'"

"'I like his honesty.'"

And by far my favorite:

"'I'm not sure of anything he's done, but I like that he's religious — that's really important'"

Highest of high comedy.

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/04/washington/04believers.html?ex=1149652800&en=b6c46e461fd52651&ei=5070

Without a doubt, you are one of the most ignorant posters in the entire blogosphere. Muslims terrorists have been murdering Westerners for over 40 years. (You may not know this, but September 11 was simply a dramatic escalation of the murderous war Islamic terrorists have been waging against the West for decades.) Wahhabi Muslims have been murdering non-Wahhabi Muslims for 250 years. Sunni and Shiite Muslims have been killing each other for even longer than that. So your claim that Bush's freeing 50 million Muslims "allows them to start killing one another, and [us]" is pure idiocy.

-- 40 years? Wow. Christians have been killing one another for THOUSANDS of years. You still are to this day, in fact. People have been killing gone another for tens of thousands of years. Convenient how you always seem to forget that ugly little part of your pasts when you look to another culture and judge its violence.

And if it were up to you, the Taliban would still be "governing" Afghanistan and Saddam and his two playful sons would still be ruling Iraq?

You mean like the Taliban that are returning to Afganistan every day now that you have cut and run from there?

Taliban Returning

Liberals may choose to believe that President Bush is the only one they are demeaning and slandering -- at least you admit that -- but you are in fact slandering and demeaning the United States and our military.

-- No, only you morons that still support this bumbling president that can't for anything right and never could in his life. Even moderate and traditional Republicans are turning their backs and speaking out. But you will continue until you are the one man in the room.

Heres another article from Time outlining how they uncovered the Haditha incident

Yes axis.

It all sounds so very simple. So simple to say but impossible to do.

Only a simpleton, who doesn't understand the magnitude of what is involved and can't think, would believe it's as simple as you want your liberal friends to believe. I know it isn't. You know it isn't.

Keep spreading your hate for Christians. Give the Arabs a share of your hate too -- they believe in God also. Maybe they will make a visit to Canada someday. Don't ask America for any help!

Those 17 terrorists may be just the start. I hope Canada contacted the ACLU and turned them loose on their promise they would show up for court. I hope Canada isn't trying to force them in any way to provide any information about their activities or any others that may be planned. I hope Canada isn't planning any pre-emptive action on someone who hasn't yet destroyed or killed anyone.

Who knows, because of people like you, perhaps some day free speech won't be! I do know that if I had a blog, people like you won't be posting their lies and trash there! As I have said before, I have absolutely no use for your ideas, views, opinions, or anything else. The only purpose they serve is to show how dangerous liberal are -- and yes, I do mean that!

Too bad we can't use telepathy to communicate!

AAR

axis,

Maybe you can understand just how much many Americans hated and despised Clinton!

AAR

Axis -- Without a doubt, you are one of the most ignorant posters in the entire blogosphere.

Posted by: JPL at June 5, 2006 12:10 AM

Without a doubt JPL, without a doubt!

Yes, AAR, and you keep on believing that Iraq is your salvation at winning the war on terror.

How many Iraqis were among those 19 hijackers on 9/11 again?

axis,

You mean Afghanistan that the U.N. is handling? Isn't Canada still taking care of that?

You mean Afghanistan where America is still carrying the biggest load?

You mean Afghanistan for which government, control, and security are being returned to the Afghanistan people as planned?

Just how long would you like America to occupy their country? How many troops would you like America to send there now? Should we just set up our own government, make it a U.S. protectorate or colony or state?

At some point, Afghanistan and Iraq will have to stand on their own, or suffer the consequences of their inability to govern and provide their own security. What will that ultimately be? When will stability and equilibrium be reached?

Don't get your hopes up yet though that the Taliban will be the winners. I know you would like to see that happen. I know you would like to see Afghanistan and their people remain under that regime, but it may not happen.

Do you wake up each day hoping for some major disaster you can blame on Americans so you can really enjoy the day? I'll bet -- no I know -- the more people are killed in Iraq, the happier you are that day. I'll bet you high tail it to the blogs and start pounding away with the good news.

What a way to get pleasure and enjoyment out of life. Hoping for the maximum death and misery for others.

AAR

Without a doubt, you are one of the most ignorant posters in the entire blogosphere.

-- Thank you for your kind words. There are few insults less troubling to a liberal than braindead conservative ditto-heads calling them ignorant for possessing the capability to see through the lies and innuendo rather than simply blindly buying into it all like all you ditto-heads do.

No axis, Iraq is just one battle in the war on terror.

No axis, none of the 9/11 hijackers were Iraqi, and we want to keep it that way, along with not having Saddam secretly funnel money to other terrorists, not have him develop more WMD in the future, and not have him continue with his actions of the past.

Maybe tomorrow will be a good and joyous day for you. Maybe a thousand people will be killed and you can spend your whole day celebrating on the Internet. It won't be like the high you would get from seeing a civil war and tens of thousands killed as you and the liberals hope will happen, but at least you could have a nice day!

What a sick way to get your pleasure and enjoyment!

That's a liberal for you!!!

You can have it for the night.

AAR

Yes, AAR, afganistan, where the REAL terrorists are and where you basically cut and ran and left a skeleton crew there.

Coalition forces are there fighting a war on behalf of america. Your troops should be THERE, in full force, not in Iraq where you are fighting insurgents.

Well axis, you didn't get the thousand deaths that would have made it a really nice day by your standards, but there should be enough to give you some pleasure.

Still no outrage though about the killing of innocent men, women, and children. Nope, none at all. I'm sure the parents of the school students who were dragged from the busses and killed yesterday appreciate your concern for their lives. They have enough enemies to worry about without having friends like you who want even more deaths as a means to further your political agenda. The bigger the massacre, the better the news for you and your liberal friends.

If the 17 terrorist in Canada had managed to detonate their three tons of ammonium nitrate, you might begin to worry a little more about terrorists and their killing. But that's only fertilizer, so why are you Canadians bothering them over a few truckloads of fertilizer? I hope you Canadians aren't doing anything to try and make them talk about their plans or anyone else who might be involved? Those terrorists have rights. They haven't killed anyone -- yet! Until and unless they do why are you trying to take pre-emptive actions against them? Let's get them back out on the streets. They have work to do!

It's so very easy to sit their behind your computer and continue your efforts to encourage, incite, and support the terrorists when it doesn't affect you. After all, they are only people in a news report in a land far away. Why should that bother you. Why should it bother you that the actions of you and your liberal friends only serve to incite more terrorist and more terrorism... YET!

Besides supporting terrorists, you both have anther thing in common. You both believe that the means justifies the end. As long as you achieve YOUR goals it doesn't matter what happens to the rest of the people or who you kill or harm in your efforts to achieve your goals.

In your view, as long as you don't pull the trigger, you are not responsible. If you incite others to pull the trigger, you [falsely] claim you are not responsible for the deaths. Well, axis, it doesn't work that way. You are just as guilty as those who pulled the trigger.

You don't care what other people want. You don't care about their lives. You don't care about their friends and families. You don't care the slightest bit about anything but your own agenda and objectives.

You KNOW what is "best" for everyone and you will make sure everyone does it your way -- no matter who you kill on the way! It's the liberal way or no way.

Yep, pure unadulterated liberal arrogance! It goes right along with your lack of values and morals.

Now, go sit by the news and wait for more deaths!

AAR

How many Canadians are in Afghanistan?
I think it's about 2,600. According to Canadian Brig.Gen. David Fraser, the Canadian effort in Afghanistan will last "about 10 more years".
Why isn't axis trying to get more Canadian troops in Afghanistan? why don't we hear about the Canadian Quagmire in Kabul?

Oh, that's right, he doesn't really care about Afghanistan, he only cares about demeaning the effort.

Unbelievable.

How is it possible that we got to this sorry state in America? When did ignorance and intelligent debate become so skewed that now a difference in opinion becomes an act of treason? When did bashing foreigners become an effective way to persuage others into their way of thinking?

When did we forget that we are Americans and start using stupidity and blind faith to show that we are true patriots? When did standing up to injustice and demanding accountablity become anti-American? How did we become so divided that now those who don't suport a unnecessary cource of action are considered terrorist sympathizers?

I may not agree with your politics but I still consider you all Americans. Shoudn't that be enough for you guys? Or must we all swallow the same propaganda or we're not loyal Americans? At this point,I don't give a damn who wins this November, I just want us to be one nation again, not split in two.

But if this is what is to beome of this nation, then I want no part of it whatsoever. Let's find some common ground for Christ's sake But enough of this 'you're not American if you're not down with the War/president' bullshit. I've had it up to here with it.

Unbelievable.

How is it possible that we got to this sorry state in America? When did ignorance and intelligent debate become so skewed that now a difference in opinion becomes an act of treason? When did bashing foreigners become an effective way to persuage others into their way of thinking?

When did we forget that we are Americans and start using stupidity and blind faith to show that we are true patriots? When did standing up to injustice and demanding accountablity become anti-American? How did we become so divided that now those who don't suport a unnecessary cource of action are considered terrorist sympathizers?

I may not agree with your politics but I still consider you all Americans. Shoudn't that be enough for you guys? Or must we all swallow the same propaganda or we're not loyal Americans? At this point,I don't give a damn who wins this November, I just want us to be one nation again, not split in two.

But if this is what is to beome of this nation, then I want no part of it whatsoever. Let's find some common ground for Christ's sake But enough of this 'you're not American if you're not down with the War/president' bullshit. I've had it up to here with it.

-- Actually Bane of your own existance, I actually agree with the Canadians over there, too bad your military does not and can only spare a skeleton contingent to where the real terrorists are, instead of killing Iraqi civilians.

We won't be there for 10 years, not even close unless you start to pull your heads out of your asses and come and help, after all we are all there on behalf of America. They least you can do is to deploy enough troops to complete the mission. You can't expect the coalition forces to wipe your bottom forever.

How many Canadians are in Afghanistan?
I think it's about 2,600. According to Canadian Brig.Gen. David Fraser, the Canadian effort in Afghanistan will last "about 10 more years".
Why isn't axis trying to get more Canadian troops in Afghanistan? why don't we hear about the Canadian Quagmire in Kabul?

Oh, that's right, he doesn't really care about Afghanistan, he only cares about demeaning the effort.

Wow AAR, this Canadian bust has your panties in a real pinch doesn't it?

Yes, we have some religious zealots here, and yes your american terrorists are coming here to instruct them on the arts of terrorism.

You have thousands of them loose and free in America, teaching others. I don't think that a story that shows how poorly your FBI is doing at containing them there in America before they can export their terrorism to other countries is much for you to brag about.

All it shows that that CSIS is doing its job and wiping the bums of the FBI who are not doing theirs.

Thank goodness we have your backs...er bottoms or you would be in a lot of trouble.