I wonder if Mark would like to comment on this?

Twice now, once in Oct of ’05 and again this last Tuesday, Bill O’Reilly has accused US soldiers of committing atrocities in WWII. He stated that members of the US army executed German POWs at Malmedy (battle of the bulge). Actually, it was the SS that executed American POWs at Malmedy.

O’Reilly was called on the carpet regarding this “mistake” back in October, so why did he repeat this lie again Tuesday? It gets even worse. If you check the transcript (FOX), it has been changed (scrubbed) from Malmedy to Normandy?

Where is all the outrage for you right conservative Christian veterans that are so quick to condemn Rep. Murtha?

uh, I might remind you of the inconvenient fact that the BBC was a government entity funded with public monies. Our counterpart to the BBC is PBS, which republicans have tried their best to shut down - apparently because it reports on inconvenient things like... reality.

PBS reports total tripe and liberal based ideas. Remember when the Democrats tried to shut down Rush Limbaugh, who by the way is not subsidized by public money.

Pot meet kettle Aaron, only the left is a ton worse. The left won't allow PBS to conduct a balanced network supported by public dollars but tries to shut down conservative speakers doing it on their own.

Oh the irony.

O'Reilly was right. There were some attrocities committed by some US servicemen in WWII against the Japanese and the Germans. Cutting off fingers, killing men that were trying to surrender, etc.

Have a conversation with an old timer that was there. You are naive if you think otherwise.

The bigger point is that it happens in all wars and that is unfortunate. Now, will the liberals be big enough not to take this Haditha tragedy and parade it up and down with joy?

Doubtful. They will instead paint the ENTIRE military based on one incident which is par for the course with these hypocritical people.

The MSM has a very similar arrangement today. We see it all the time.

The MSM transmits our secrets and plans directly to the terrorists and our enemies -- in plain, uncoded English! What more "help" could we want or ask from them?

AAR

War, this is what O'Reilly is accusing our service men of commiting:

At approximately 1415, American soldiers opened fire on the German prisoners in the field next to the Café. The entire episode lasted no more than about 15 minutes.

With the aid of mine detectors, the Germans uncovered the snow-covered bodies of 71 victims of the massacre.

An analysis of the reports, all extremely disturbing to read, shows that 43 of the bodies had gunshot wounds to the head, at least three had suffered severe blows to the head, three had been crushed,

O'Reilly was right. There were some attrocities committed by some US servicemen in WWII against the Japanese and the Germans. Cutting off fingers, killing men that were trying to surrender, etc.

-- Correct. So if it happened before, what are you so hard pressed to disbelieve that it could have happened again in Iraq.?

Let's get serious here for a moment.

The fact of the matter is that conservatives dislike the mainstream media only because it uncovers all your corruption, law breaking and sleezy behavior.

You like the MSM 6 years ago when they were beating up on clinton and exposing his failings.

So, the enemy is really yourselves. Clean up your own act and corruption and the MSM will have nothing negative to report about you.

Thats why concervative ideals always fail eventually, you are unable to accept responsibility for your own actions.

Once upon a time the MSM felt they had a responsibility to defend freedom and the Democratic way of life. That is not true any more.

axis,

I thought you said you were going to get serious.

That didn't last long!

AAR

The MSN transmits our secrets and plans directly to the terrorists and our enemies -- in plain, uncoded English!
-AAR

No Chimpy appologist can be this stupid or ignorant......................but i've been proven wrong before.

Once upon a time the MSM felt they had a responsibility to defend freedom and the Democratic way of life. That is not true any more.

-- Seems to me that when the MSM reports and uncovers government corruption, secret fascist policies, illegal spying, massacres by the troops, and other illegal acts by government and congress that they are doing exactly that show, they are defending our freedoms and democracy by exposing those that would seek to take our freedoms away, and those that would seek to threaten the democracy.

My only regret that that they have become corporatized so they bend to the wills of the corporations more than to the people.

3 more posts, Axis. How much does that bring in?

3 more posts, Axis. How much does that bring in

-- More than you could possibly imagine...

Something tells me if the MSM only reported the things that appeased the right and demonized the left, you guys would still be wary of them.

There are liberal outlets, there are conservative outlets. It is impossible for people to be truly objective, but supposing that there is some massive media conspiracy is just showing your paranoia and makes you look alarmist.

teen,

Isn't it past your bedtime?

Oh... you've been wrong more than you know and will be wrong even more in the future, you've just got to learn to recognize it!

By the way, I can't find "appologist" in any of my dictionaries. I probably don't have the latest "slang" version.

Would I find "appologist" under "stupid", "ignorant", or "I don't know"?

AAR

Georgia,

You have a point. I think it comes down to the fact that conservatives are a sneaky bunch. They like to be able to lie, cheat, steal and commit crimes with impunity and with no spying eyes on their heinous actions.

They are like a 6 year old looking both ways before reaching his hand into the cookie jar.

Being a Republican in todays day and age means you need to be a criminal or at least willing to become a criminal.

The Bushian Right loathes the fact that the "MSM"'s uncritical fluff that passes for news falls slightly short of outright 24/7 pro-Bush propaganda.

We don't have anything approaching a "liberal media" in this country - and professional, hard-hitting, skeptical investigative journalism went the way of the dodo bird years ago. What do we have today is an inadequate, lazy, escapist, info-tainment media geared towards commercial gain, not informing the public. It is a corporate media that is in the business of making money and propping up corporate interests. To that extent, its interests largely overlap with the Republican party. But it falls a tad short of full-on total Bush worship, and for that it is attacked by the Bushian cultists.

Instead of maintaining expensive bureaus around the globe that report and inform on world events, the economics of for-profit media today bring us partisan talking heads who rarely leave the studio, but who opine on matters far outside of their area of knowledge, peddling ideology and ignorance in place of informed analysis. Endless stories of disappeared white chicks, and various sensationlized emotional pornography serve to dull the public's awareness of what's really going on around them. An emotionally charged, ill-informed populace is easily manipulated by the darker tendencies on the Right. We see it everyday on websites like this one.

Luckily, external reality has a way of exerting itself, whether the corporate media is paying attention or not.

I love how Axis and Teenage just sit there and call people names. They don't ever provide good arguments. All they do is say conservatives are a bunch of liars and fascists and all conservatives are criminals. Nothing to back this up. I don't see anybody holding Nazi flags, I don't personally know any conservatives who are criminals, and any lies they uncover are always from a few of the politicians who we end up kicking out. But of course that isn't just a conservative problem, that is a human problem. Its on both sides.

So they go to their liberal sites, which I've gone to a few times and checked them out. Then they get all pumped up and ready to go yell and call people names, so they shoot over here and do it. And I've seen these liberal sites.
They are very negative and full of lies. They have to use some sort of derogatory word in front of anything they don't like, and after enough time, I guess this just indoctrinates their followers into believing its true. Like they way they use the word neocon, isn't that the most annoying word?

And do you know why they always call us fascists? Not because they believe eugenics and the genocide of the jews is bad, but because communist Russia didn't like the Nazis. Which is funny, because the Nazis were socialists.

I wish there was a such thing as a liberal who could hold out a discussion. I look on the posts here and can immediately ID the liberal because all he/she does is call people names and put very negative posts up, even to positive posts.

I remember a little while back Mark posted something like, Its a nice day out? -Open post.

A few conservative posters said stuff like "yes it is" Then of course a liberal poster comes on with something negative up. "AHH! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A NICE DAY WHEN THE COUNTY IS RULED BY EVIL FASCIST GREAT SATAN NEOCON LIER CHRISITANS!!!AHHHH!"

Is it imposable for a liberal poster to have anything good and positive to say, ever? EVER!??
They remind me of the people on youtube.com who put comments about other peoples videos that are nothing but swear words fallowed by "Go kill yourself". Same kind of people, only a little older I suppose.
I have a liberal friend who actually does hold discussions, he listens, he comments. Sometimes we agree on things. I wish their were more like him on here.
Well, I gotta go rob a bank, kill somebody now. My yearly republican membership is almost up and Axis told me that's the only way to renew it.

Anyways, it has been really nice outside lately hasn't it? This is my favorite time of the year. More sunlight, less dark. It means D.C is safer to be in for a few more hours of the day.

axis has no ability to discuss intelligently so axis resorts to ad hominem and unfounded attacks. Very juvenile behavior and unworthy of the adults' time and effort.

Calvin,

You've got 'em pegged right -- you're just being a little too polite! I'm about ready to stop being so polite and "tolerant" of their opinions and propaganda.

I used to think that it was possible to carry on a rational conversation with anyone, but the liberals have proven that is not possible. The liberals on this site just confirm that opinion day after day. The only way to reach a compromise with the liberal left on anything is if 100% of the concessions comes from the other side! After that, they will be back with more demands and more concessions. Consequently, there is no purpose or anything to be gained from any compromise with the left -- on any issue whatsoever!

I actually tried talking to some Democrats prior to the last election and I could not believe how thoroughly brainwashed they were. They quoted the Democratic television and radio ads almost word for word without even thinking. In fact, they couldn't think. One was adamantly and totally opposed to gay marriage, but he was going to vote for Kerry because "President Bush was trying to appoint judges who would force gay marriage on America." He was actually voting against his own principles and beliefs on every issue I tried to discuss. There was no way I could convince him that he was absolutely and totally wrong either. If the liberal Democrats told them the sky was green, they would accept it as fact, justifying the lie by believing it was they who had suddenly gone color blind!

Liberals will continue to destroy America and our values unless we stand up and take a more active interest in what is happening to America. We must get others energized and become much more vocal in expressing our beliefs. We can't let the liberals make us feel guilty about our opinions or question and doubt our own beliefs. That is one of the objectives of people like axis. Axis and those like him are not here to discuss, they are here solely to expand their brainwashing efforts.

Unless we start speaking up and educating others, our message will not be heard over theirs, and theirs will continue to be the only one people hear and the one that affects public opinion. That's one of the problems now with the Republicans who won't really speak out on the controversial issues for fear of alienating liberals -- and one can never please a liberal.

Try to educate and motivate your friends and relatives on some of the more outlandish liberal views and agenda -- just don't overload them with it or you will lose them!

AAR

AAR,
Care to point out how we are destroying America and its values?

And... if the vast majority of "the MSM's uncritical fluff that passes for news" just happend to be reported from a highly liberal viewpoint and agenda, just what does that make it?

It makes it a liberal based, liberal biased, liberal oriented -- liberal MSM -- on 90% of the news, articles, and reporting they do!

AAR

PBS reports total tripe and liberal based ideas.

PBS provides less spin than any other media outlet. If you don't like the news being reported may I suggest you vote for representatives that want to bring the troops home.

We don't have anything approaching a "liberal media" in this country - and professional, hard-hitting, skeptical investigative journalism went the way of the dodo bird years ago.

Couldn't agree more, with the possible exception of Seymour Hersh.

AAR,

Like I suggested to War Lover, don't hate the messenger. Hate the message (war, murder charges against a marine, Haditha, culture of corruption).

They don't make this stuff up!

AAR, a few Dems are leftwashed, I will admit, however most are intelligent and independant thinkers. More of you conservatives are brainwashed than liberals

This is likely because so few things in life go to show that you are making progress, most clearly show that you have made things worse across the board, so to solve this, you need to sit down and figure out ways to cleverly say things in such as way so as to hide the ugly truth.

Mark for example makes wild and unfounded statements all the time, with dozens of you conservatives "me tooing" him. And all it takes it for one intelligent liberal to completely obliderate your arguement and leave you completely speechless.

This is why Rush, O'Reilley, Colter, and the rest of the Faux talking heads never have liberals on their shows when they are trying to pump out the propaganda. Your arguements are like fragile little flowers

Axis, I have yet to see any of the liberals here "completely obliderate" any arguements. All I see is random yelling.

"Well, your Mom!.... Hey guys did you see how I totally won that arguement. Now for sure they will see the evil of their ways and instead support killing babies"

teen,

I don't believe that you really want to logically and rationally discuss what I think or why I and Conservatives believe what I do.

If you have been reading my comments, you already know many of the issues I have. It is not something I can summarize in a few short sentences or paragraphs either without giving you -- mostly axis -- and the other liberals fodder from which to extract a short quote, "misinterpret and re-interpret" it for the benefit of the liberal readers, and move on to your next one line attack on this or another blog.

You can start with the issue of activist judges. That issue alone is responsible for tearing this nation apart for many years. To understand it, you will have to learn some real American history, the history surrounding the Constitution and it's amendments, and how many court decisions have been made. You can't take a sentence from the Constitution and take it or the Constitution and its Amendments out of the context of history if you want to understand what it meant. You would have to understand just how easy it is for an activist judge to change -- and essentially amend the constitution, change it's meaning, and change our laws.

It is not the role of judges to make our laws. The selection of judges should not be a political process with each party trying to pick their candidates. The role of Congress is to make the laws. You can not understand that based without doing some reading and understanding history -- American history, Constitutional history, and the history of American government. ...Otherwise, you listen to and believe what axis, liberal text books, liberal teachers, and other liberals tell you to believe.

I do believe, though, as one of the comments back to you said, look back at some of your posts, ideas, and thoughts 25 years from now. I think you will be very surprised how your ideology and views change as you get older and gain experience to go with your book learnin'.

Does that mean you will switch over and become a conservative? No -- you might -- but your views, opinions, and goals will change.

Oh, and if you do have just a slightly open mind and want to learn about what Conservatives believe and why, or just want to hear the other side of some news items, listen to Rush Limbaugh for a month or so -- not just a time or two and then brush him off. He comes across as somewhat arrogant and I'm sure he also offends some Christians and religious listeners with his reference to "being on loan from God". I guess he has earned the right to do that, and most listeners will just ignore that too. Many liberals listen to him too and call in to express their views. If nothing else, you could learn what Conservatives are "up to". Oh, I almost forgot, he does talk about other issues as well from time to time, such as sports.

Now, take a few hours off from the computer and get out and enjoy the day. It's a little hot and humid here.

AAR

Ash,

I haven't heard much out of you lately. Were you on vacation, or was I just reading different threads?

I see the jest of your comments hasn't changed though. Are you and axis working as a team now?

Didn't you just have a birthday?

AAR

axis,

Now I happen to like little flowers, and big ones too for that matter. I think they are pretty and add beauty to the world. Are you downing the poor little flowers now too? Isn't there anything you like other than more of your same old repetitive liberal rhetoric and propaganda. That stuff really does get boring, but those little flowers now... they are something else. They just stand there looking pretty in their rainbow of colors and varying shapes, nodding back and forth in the occasional the breeze, shaking the rain drops and sparkling dew from their dainty and fragile petals, and don't hurt anyone!

AAR

axis,

And yes, it is nice to hear all of those Conservatives "me tooing". I'd sure like to hear more though, and if you will continue with your posts the way you have been, you will do more to incite the "me tooing" than I can. Besides, that's all we hear from your side of the playing field.

Hopefully, more and more Conservatives and Republican will focus on what we don't want from the left and less on our differences on the right, so we can raise the volume even more.

I would think you would encourage your liberal readers to listen to Rush Limbaugh and find out for themselves how really far out and off base he is. Encourage them to hear for themselves what those right wing conservatives (nuts as you call them) are thinking. Let them hear for themselves how those conservatives twist all of the news and how they have the wrong view of the world. It's really frightening that Rush Limbaugh has 20 something million listeners. They must be stopped, but to do that, more liberals need to listen to him daily so they can understand the real threat... liberalism!

AAR

axis,

"intelligent liberal" is an oxymoron!

AAR

AAR,

No,actually the real oxymoron is "compassionate conservative"

axis,

I never did like that phrase, term, identifier, or whatever you want to call it.

AAR

good, neither do I :)

It's sad when we have to play politics like it was a football match and we are rooting for our favorite team. Nevermind which side does what right or wrong, the bottom line is you support you team through thick and thin.

The problem is politics isn't sports. It's not something you pledge blind allegiance to. I'm ashamed of either side when they get so wrapped up in their political colors that they don't realize that maybe they are supporting something that is harmful to America itself.

Of course Democrats reading this will think I am writing about Republicans and vice versa, but the truth to anyone who can distance themselves far enough from the partisanship can see it is a disgusting display of lockstep allegiance on both sides.

If you are reading this and are one of those people that constantly defend your partys position while villifying the opposition then you are part of the problem.

You are also a victim. A victim of politics. A victim of that manipulating game where I tell you what you want to hear then do something completely different banking on your blind allegiance to support me the whole way, and to do so without question.

Does either party really believe in what they are saying? If you think your party does, and the other is fulla s**t, then guess what? Yup, You my friend are one of the many easily molded citizens that the political system can bend to its will.

I promise you that if you take any issue and trace its roots you will find it leads to money. And politicians want your support so that they can write laws to protect and to serve the people who will carry them through higher office... Me? You? No, it's the people with wealth. I make a decent six figure salary, and in the whole scheme of power I'm a gnat.

If I ran for office you know what I'd do? Tell you what you want to hear. Bet my future that you will be too partisan to ever question me. And, you know what? I'd probably win, and to top it off I'd probably never have to fulfill any of my promises. Why? Because I'd just feed the same line of bull to you again, and watch you lick it up.

No matter the cost, no matter the ethics or standards. I know that people will justify my actions based solely on my political party. Oh sure, I could waver here and there, but in the end what would the average blind partisan voter do? Yup, still vote for me.

Open your eyes, and start to question your government folks, cause it's betting on its own greedy future that you keep em closed...

It's sad when we have to play politics like it was a football match and we are rooting for our favorite team. Nevermind which side does what right or wrong, the bottom line is you support you team through thick and thin.

The problem is politics isn't sports. It's not something you pledge blind allegiance to. I'm ashamed of either side when they get so wrapped up in their political colors that they don't realize that maybe they are supporting something that is harmful to America itself.

Of course Democrats reading this will think I am writing about Republicans and vice versa, but the truth to anyone who can distance themselves far enough from the partisanship can see it is a disgusting display of lockstep allegiance on both sides.

If you are reading this and are one of those people that constantly defend your partys position while villifying the opposition then you are part of the problem.

You are also a victim. A victim of politics. A victim of that manipulating game where I tell you what you want to hear then do something completely different banking on your blind allegiance to support me the whole way, and to do so without question.

Does either party really believe in what they are saying? If you think your party does, and the other is fulla s**t, then guess what? Yup, You my friend are one of the many easily molded citizens that the political system can bend to its will.

I promise you that if you take any issue and trace its roots you will find it leads to money. And politicians want your support so that they can write laws to protect and to serve the people who will carry them through higher office... Me? You? No, it's the people with wealth. I make a decent six figure salary, and in the whole scheme of power I'm a gnat.

If I ran for office you know what I'd do? Tell you what you want to hear. Bet my future that you will be too partisan to ever question me. And, you know what? I'd probably win, and to top it off I'd probably never have to fulfill any of my promises. Why? Because I'd just feed the same line of bull to you again, and watch you lick it up.

No matter the cost, no matter the ethics or standards. I know that people will justify my actions based solely on my political party. Oh sure, I could waver here and there, but in the end what would the average blind partisan voter do? Yup, still vote for me.

Open your eyes, and start to question your government folks, cause it's betting on its own greedy future that you keep em closed...

Good for you, Calvin. We have often noted the pervasive negativism of the left, at least those ankle-biters who insist on posting here. It is clear they are miserable people, because all they revere is misery, all they pursue is misery, and all they promote is misery.

It's gorgeous here, too. The sun is shining, the breeze is mild, and I have a wonderful day of outside work ahead of me. (Not so wonderful for the colts we'll be castrating, but it's still a great day to be outside.) And later, the trout will be rising to the hatch.

I live in a wonderful country, with freedoms unknown in most of the world. It is a small price to pay to have to endure petty snideness from those whose only method to gain attention is to sneer at those who really do have lives.

And we have a way to express ourselves, via this and other blogs, to provide some balance to the far left media that tries to drag us down into misery and despair.

have a good one.......

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