I know I'm shocked. He helped start this entire mess with allowing the Iahtollahs to take control of Iran in 1979.

1976 to 2000....what an absolute disgrace of an administration for all us that lived through it.

Iran hostages
Gave away the Panama Canal
Double digit unemployment
Double digit interest rates
Gas lines for hours
US Olympic boycott
Our military totally scuttled to nothing

A pathetic time in this country

uh...

You guys do know that the bin Laden family disowned Osama when he was expelled from Saudi Arabia, right?

This should go in your "What Media Bias?" category...

uh...

You guys do know that the bin Laden family disowned Osama when he was expelled from Saudi Arabia, right?

This should go in your "What Media Bias?" category...

Yet that didn't stop the MSM, Michael Moore and lefty whackos around the country to try and paint the Bin Laden family to the Bush family now did it?

Calm down, Warmongernation. But don't forget that blow-job Clinton got! Man, I wish the Democrats could have on their resumes: illegally & imorally invaded & continue to occupy & desstroy an Arab nation. Now that would be impressive.

And I wonder if Carter got bin Laden's contact information from Doofus Bush himself.

More than a blowjob, he also raped two women, sexually harrassed three others (two which he settled with), was disbarred, etc, etc, etc.

As for immorally invading a country...let's hope there are more leaders in this world that have the gravitas of Blair and Bush to do something about the human tragedy that Saddam Hussein and terrorists cause.

I remember when Democrats used to be for teh "little guy", but apparently when it involves the military protecting that little guy and saving them...then the liberals and Democrats want nothing to do with it.

Typical.

Sorry, that should have been 1976 to 1980. The Carter Years.

UH Warrior- Carter must have needed great connections to stay in office from 1976-2000. Now maybe I fell asleep in American History class, but I thought he only served one term.

BTW-Carter may not have been the right man for Washington, where if you need a friend you get a dog, but he did broker the Camp David peace accord , which he won a Nobel Peace Prize for, and he did manage to bring all of the hostages home alive. Has Bush brought any of the hostages in Iraq home alive?

Warriornation,

Just so you know: I abhor Michael Moore. I laughed heartily when his character blew himself up in Team America.

And if Bush has so much "gravitas," why is he dragging his feet on Darfur, Tibet, and North Korea (to name a few)?

Wow, jimmy carter did business with the Bin Laden family...

Just like the BUSH family did.

So its a democrat scandal, but its perfectly fine for Bush to have business dealings with them for decades.

Oh, and nice try, its the Bin Laden Family NOT Osama.

Nice spin, but once again, it doesn't hold water under scrutiny

He's dragging his feet on North Korea? Hmmm...interesting. Perhaps if Clinton / Carter hadn't allowed N. Korea to build nukes we would have some leverage.

On Tibet and Darfur...I think you know that answer as a liberal. They don't have oil, they aren't supporting terrorists, there's no chance for Haliburton to make money there, etc, etc / sarcasm off.

Probably the same reason Clinton didn't do anything in Rwanda

Warriornation,

Your lack of knowlege of recent history astounds me. North Korea hadn't started building nukes until the 1980's. They temporarily stopped under Bush I and resumed under Clinton.

Concern focuses around two reactors at Yongbyon, both of them small power stations using Magnox techniques. The smaller (5MWe) was completed in 1986 and has since produced possibly 8,000 spent fuel elements. Construction of the larger plant (50MWe) commenced in 1984 but in 2003 was still incomplete. This larger plant is based on the declassified blueprints of the Calder Hall power reactors used to produce plutonium for the UK nuclear weapons program.

I think that Clinton definately should have intervened, but hindsight is 20/20, and bitching about it now won't change the fact that it didn't happen.

About Darfur, the humanitarian crisis there is worse than it was in pre-invasion Iraq. Actually, Sudan does have oil, and many American oil companies have big interests in the area. That could have something to do with it.

The situation in Tibet is ridiculous. Every president since FDR should have done something about it, yet noone did. Bush's refusal to acknowledge the problem just shows how not spectacular he really is as a president.

axis..

I think the point of the post and article was to expose the hypocrisy of the "purported" ties...as was presented by Mooron..and his followers...

georgia.. I'd re-check who has oil interests in the darfur region...you'll find TotalFina (french), Chinese and Russian interests with no US.. thus the problem with getting France, Russia and China votes in the UN to sanction the Sudanese government...

Total reserves are estimated at 2 billion barrels. The lead actors in Sudan's oil industry are the China National Petroleum Corporation, Petronas from Malaysia, Talisman Energy from Canada, Gulf Petroleum Corporation from Quatar, Ludin Oil from Sweden and the French Total Fina Elf with Russians interests in pipleine construction and well developement contracts coming into being after 2004..

Chevron HAD spent 2.5 Billion developing the Sudanese fields but pulled out of the Sudan in 1985...

**** Gulf Petroleum isn't to be mistaken for Gulf Oil..sperate entities

Frawg...you're talking about reactors. I'm talking about nuclear weapons.

A unique distinction I was surely hoping you would grasp.

The N. Koreans most certainly did not have nuclear weapons in the 1980's.

Frawg...perhaps you also missed the "/ sarcasm off" tag.

:p

Perhaps if Clinton / Carter hadn't allowed N. Korea to build nukes we would have some leverage.

WarLover,

If I'm not mistaken there was a President Bush 'tween those two. Does he get a pass?

I think the point of the post and article was to expose the hypocrisy of the "purported" ties...as was presented by Mooron..and his followers...

-- What hypocrisy? Bush has had business dealings with Bin Laden family for decades. On 9/11, there were 11 members of the Bin Laden family present in New York, which were jetted back home shortly after.

Bush blocked 9/11 investigations and then only participated in a extremely limited committee with the understanding that neither he or cheney were under oath and it was not to be recorded.

Bush blocked all investigations into Bin Laden family.

Why???

I didn't see Jimmy carter on watch on 9/11. It was Bush.

Bush needs to be investigated, so does 9/11, katrina, torture, rendition, illegal spying, and much much more.

Carter isn't too bad he got me and a hell of a lot of other registered Democrats to switch to the GOP back then

Ohio was 100% Democrat controlled while he was President now we are 100% controlled by the GOP -
Except for RINO Taft

Ken Blackwell for Governor of Buckeye land

Axis , I have yet to see you make an arguement that makes sense keep trying boy, that is half the battle

War-

O... i did miss that tag...

I've been working all day, so I am a little bit tired.

Axis needs to be investigated also!

What about.... what about..... what about.........

give me a break people, president Bush has sworn an oath to the "American People" and is responsible for policy pertaining soley to the "American People"! Not to N.K., or to Darfur, Sudan, Tibet or any place else! He has SOME responsibility to our known and proven allies. The presidency is not to be used to save the world! That being said, once again the tired irrelevant and unproven theory of lies lies lies set aside, George bush made a descision based upon MUCH intelligence from many different sources to invade Iraq which was and still is in the best interests of the "American People"! especially with 12 years of Saddaam resistance and a thick veil of secrecy & treachery which has been revealed thruout investigations into the U.N.

so belay the tiresome.... well what about this country and what about that country, and allow axis & ash to live in their little tiny realm of "everything is George Bushes fault"! Bwahahahahhaahahaaaahahaaaa! that still makes me laugh!

Axis,

2 posts, how much? Did you reach your quota?

give me a break people, president Bush has sworn an oath to the "American People" and is responsible for policy pertaining soley to the "American People"! Not to N.K., or to Darfur, Sudan, Tibet or any place else!

-- Exactly! So what the hell is he doing getting US soldiers killed in IRAQ!??

-- Why is he violating his oath every single day, breaking laws, torturing and spying??

Iraq had nothing to do with american interests, only Bush interests.

Ash, President Bush didn't cut a deal with the North Koreans. Meanwhile Bill Clinton asked Jimmy Carter (ex president at that time) to broker a deal with the North Koreans.

Do a little history and find out how this "deal" did nothing (as most conservatives said) but swindle us out of energy and allow the N. Koreans to build the nukes anyway. Typical gullible lefties thinking everyone is nice.

Torturing and spying...good Lord. What do you have to worry about Axis, you're in Canada where all Canadians are loved the world over. You're probably sitting up there stealing DIRECTV and waxing poetic during the 2 month non-freezing season. I hope you enjoy mosquito season and the black flies...always my favorites.

Torturing and spying...that's a good one.

Well I, for one, am glad the mask is finally off for the world to see the evil of Jimmy Carter. More than any other President, and certainly more than any Republican ever, Carter has engaged in a litany of nefarious deeds after he left office.

His meddling in Haiti directly resulted in our current situation in Venezuela. This is a proven fact, not just an opinion.

In his direct work in the Middle East, he sided with both the Israelis AND Egypt. He couldn't make up his mind, couldn't tell good from evil.

And when his brother tried to resolve the Iran Crisis, he painted a picture of him being an alcoholic, just to neutralize the only sane-thinking person in his Cabinet.

They need to hang him, hang Roslyn, and hang Amy twice. Might as well hang Billy, too, just to ensure all this evil is purged once and for all.

God bless America!

Billy I think died already. I do remember Billy Beer. What a joke Carter was. Can you believe he was actually president of the USA? Fortunately for this country, it took his utter incompetence which led to the Reagan revolution.

I thank Jimmy daily for that incompetence that gave us Reagan.

Unfortunately now we find Carter siding with North Koreans, Hugo Chavez, Fidel Castro and on and on. He's a marxist through and through.

Conservative, What problem is there with Venezuela? Its run by a 100% democratic government, elected 10 times by a huge majority, i fail to see any problem there. (maybe im wrong?) oh wait yes i do, he controls large amounts of oil of which he is no longer willing to sell to america at next to nothing, he gives education to the poor, doesn't consider the rich to be above the poor, doesn't like george bush (heh, didnt hear you complain when bush said chavez was evil), doesn't consider americans morally above the rest of the world, and is making south americans see they are north american slaves. Heh, guess America does have a really big problem there :)

Perhaps if Clinton / Carter hadn't allowed N. Korea to build nukes we would have some leverage.

WarLover,

If I'm not mistaken there was a President Bush 'tween those two. Does he get a pass?

Also a President Reagan(X2)... but that doesn't count either.

No Parker it doesn't. You're obviously having trouble following the conversation. I'll try to explain so maybe even you can understand. While Clinton was president former president Carter went to North Korea and brokered a deal (that Clinton actually didn't authorize) that would give all kinds of incentives such as a light nuclear reactor, fuel, food, etc...with the promise that North Korea would stop enriching uranium.......which of course they did not hold up their end of the deal. Understand now?

-- Exactly! So what the hell is he doing getting US soldiers killed in IRAQ!??

Terrorists & islamofoscist(& liberals to an extent) get soldiers killed in Iraq daily, not George Bush!

-- Why is he violating his oath every single day, breaking laws, torturing and spying??

Seeing is believing......except in your case axis. Actually, he is doing this thing called protecting the American people(and other countries who reap the benefit), and we happen to look for that in a president! Not for an "I'm gonna save the world from global warming, & hand the U.S. it's ash in a sling" Gore type.

Iraq had nothing to do with american interests, only Bush interests.

Posted by: axis at June 1, 2006 02:07 AM

Yes, please display your ignorance again & again & again, it makes things entertaining around here!
Of course if we had no interests in Iraq then sanctions, and inspections, and U.N. resolutions(useless) would not have been neccessary, not to mention a previous war to get HIM out of Kuwait! Your probably right tho, this is just a big cock fight between Bush & Hussein!

Axis is out of his mind! That hate will eat you up eventually axis. Am i to understand that you don't even reside in this country tho you reap the benefit of this country!

CJ -
My mistake. You are absolutely correct. I actually agree with you.

Terrorists & islamofoscist(& liberals to an extent) get soldiers killed in Iraq daily, not George Bush!

-- You claim to be a military man and you still don't know the difference between insurgents and terrorists? Terrorists launched the 9/11 attack. Insurgents are the ones killing the troops. You know, those ordinary Iraqis killing troops because they are illegally occuping their country.

-- You claim to be a military man and you still don't understand that George Bush, your decider in chief sent you to Iraq? When he didn't need to? Because he wanted to invade since 1999?

Actually, he is doing this thing called protecting the American people(and other countries who reap the benefit), and we happen to look for that in a president!

-- Funny, I seem to recall that Hitler said a very similiar thing when he started taking freedoms away and turning the german republic into a fascist state ... just like George Bush is doing now. Terrorists are just the convenient excuse, like the Jews were to Hitler.

What about all those WWII internment camps that FEMA is rebuilding? Whos gonna get rounded up and put in there? How about those pastors that have been coached by FEMA into ways of getting the people to trust the government when they declare martial law and suspend civil libertities and the constitution? How about that executive order Bush signed in 2001, allowing him to declare martial law, assume total control of the country and intern political dissidents.? Sounds an awful lot like Pre WWI germany to me, how about you.? Just do a google search for some of these things and read for yourself.

Kiwi

What does the fact that Chavez was elected by a majority of the nation have to do with his right to rule? Gore received the majority of votes, but this great nation's courts knew how disastrous would be his presidency and rightly gave the stewardship of the USA to Gearge W. Bush. Look how well that has gone.

Then you go on to prove my very point about Chavez' inability to do the right thing. He enjoys the benefits of the Monroe Doctrine, the protection of the US military from foreign invaders, and what does he do? He sells oil to those very heathens.

As for the poor, what would they do with all that oil, bathe in it? Do you have any idea how much infrastructure must be put in to turn useless oil into useable gasoline? He can give millions of barrels to the poor and give them all the time in the world and they wouldn't produce a drop of ethyl.

Only the richest nation knows what to do with this gasoline. It was put on this Earth by the Almighty for our use. How dare Chavez defy God this way?

He must go!

Con to the Core . . . i thought you were a Rethuglican. but now i know you are a lib posing as a rethug to say stupid AND entertaining things. thanks!

this is my fav: "What does the fact that Chavez was elected by a majority of the nation have to do with his right to rule"

hahahahahaha
democracy . . . aint it grand?

As you are obviously not a military type axis we will excuse you for your ignorance! But please do not claim to know the difference between an insurgent & a terrorist or who we are actually fighting on the ground there! As for the commander in chief, there is a serious flaw in your assumptioned that he sent us to Iraq for personal gain! You see, we military types have something you non-military types lack. Balls, if in fact we thought(or you could prove) that this was the case for George bush, believe you me we would have done something about it long ago & we would have raised holy hell that would have put you lib activist to shame! You would see a true example of how things actually get done in this world, instead of having to go to your grave with nothing but a dream(world peace for instance)!

Corpulent Prophet

I will not take the bait of you calling me a RINO. If that is the best you can do, you obviously are desperate.

You couldn't refute my points, so you just throw shit against the wall to see if it stinks.