Personally, im waiting for the closed circuit video of Skilling and Lay in "Bang Brothers: Hot lust, Cold Steel"
Posted by: Third Eye Open at May 31, 2006 02:23 PM
Bet it made him wish he'd stayed in that classroom reading to elementary students longer.
Posted by: Ash at May 31, 2006 02:53 PM
I just can't bring myself to watch it as I lived it at 35,000 feet on the way from Ohio to California. When you find out your country is under attack at that altitude you get sort of nervous, as it could of been my son and me instead of those on flight 93
Posted by: paul at May 31, 2006 02:55 PM
Did he address them with a bullhorn afterward?
Posted by: Tom Shipley at May 31, 2006 02:58 PM
Gotta love the liberals reaction to the heroes of flight 93. They'll even use the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans to bash Bush. What sad and pathetic lives they lead.
Posted by:
CJ at May 31, 2006 03:03 PM
no, we just dont buy into movies whos sole purpose is to make money from the death of people, I didnt find pearl harbor historically illuminating, and im not gonna watch this drivel...i like to read anyways
Posted by: Third Eye Open at May 31, 2006 03:20 PM
There is a great story on FreeRepublic from one of the family members that actually went to the screening today with Bush and his family.
For those of you mature enough to go there and understand directly from the family members I suggest you do.
For those that want to hate and just generally be pathetic people, stay here and play with yourselves...Tom, 3rd eyen blind, axis, ash, blarney)
Posted by: Warriornation at May 31, 2006 03:26 PM
I wonder why "both eye's closed" would see Farenhype 911 that made money off those killed in Iraq when he claims he won't see such movies?
Posted by:
CJ at May 31, 2006 03:41 PM
Simple,CJ, Farenhype 911 fits "both eye's closed's" worldview and United 93 does not. United 93 is history, Farenhype 911 is fiction. "both eye's cloesed" preferes fiction over fact.
Posted by: Keep to the Right at May 31, 2006 04:40 PM
UNITED 93 is an excellent movie. It should be required viewing in every high school history class when the students are taught about 9/11.
"Let's roll!"
Posted by: Freedom1 at May 31, 2006 07:27 PM
Having seen it myself earlier this week, I have to say the above criticisms from those refusing to watch it are off-base.
First, it was made by someone not on the conservative side of the aisle, from what I understand. Second, it was scripted and acted to be as dry and factual as possible, although it does have some obvious editorial and fictional license since the exact sequence of events on the plane can not be known. But the "dry" feeling the movie conveys works. It doesn't overdramatize the event, and comes off as a semi-historical work. I was a bit disappointed at how it downplayed the "let's roll" quote, burying it in a sequence of that makes it less dramatic, but in hindsight I'm sure the director and writers intended that.
The dryness of the historical facts (told mostly through the air-traffic controllers' POVs) makes scenes like the second plane hitting the tower quite powerful. By refusing to take excessive dramatic license, the movie preserves credibility when it comes to the scenes that need no drama.
One question I have about the movie is the editorial assumption that Flight 93's "leader terrorist" and eventual pilot had second thoughts and caused the delay. This is completely fictional license, and although unknowable factually, his hesitation does convey a sense of knowledge of right and wrong and that he knew his actions were wrong. This is an interesting choice for the writers to use to try to make that point. I wasn't sure I liked the choice as I watched the movie, but I'm not sure I have an issue with it either.
Posted by:
Chetly Zarko at May 31, 2006 08:55 PM
For those of you mature enough to go there
Mature? Free Republic?
Posted by: jpe at May 31, 2006 08:57 PM
Actually gentelmen, and I do use that term loosely, I never saw Farenheit 9/11, ive heard it was funny, but my work and school and volunteering kinda keeps me busy, plus my girlfriend is an art major so generally im being dragged to art exhibits or being forced to eat vegetarian meals...while at an art exhibit...but if you'll excuse me im gonna go kill something and eat it now, ciao
Posted by: Third Eye Open at May 31, 2006 10:45 PM
oh by the way, its not that it is liberal or conservative, I just dont relish the idea of trying to make money off the dead families of people who aren't here to correct any misrepresentations, plus I heard they totally cut out the scene with the frozen head of Reagan chewing a cigar and screaming, "Get those towel head bastages, Yeehaw!"
Posted by: Third Eye Open at May 31, 2006 10:48 PM
Here is a post from a family member that was ACTUALLY there.
Go ahead lefties, tear down these family members to while you're at it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641528/posts
Posted by: Warriornation at May 31, 2006 11:23 PM
I am a high school history teacher, and, with an "R" rating, I couldn't make the film a mandatory assignment. I did offer my students 10 points extra credit for viewing it..and posting their reaction on my blog.
United 93 is not exploitative. What Cindy Sheehan does is exploitative. What Jack Murtha does is exploitative. There is a big difference between their "peace"-mongering and a film that portrays the last hours of everyday people who found the courage to fight for their lives.
Posted by: adriandrews at June 1, 2006 05:14 AM
Adriandrews,
If you are encouraging your kids to watch a movie about recent history, im all with you, do you agree we have a serious lack of education about modern american history, Im not TOO far removed from highschool, and i can remember by the time we got to the 50's and Vietnam, it was a short paragraph, and then it was graduation, I would love to see more kids educated in how and why, and for whom americas does what it does, but that might be a class all too itself.
Well you can call Sheehan exploitive, but i don't think she has rwitten a book, or made a movie about her dead son, did anyone ask if the movie makers were so concerned with honoring the citizen on 93, why didnt they give ALL the profits to the familys or charities...or why all the conservatives are so ready to lick boots of the evil, liberal hollywood when they make a movie that appeals so much to them? (read: Passion)
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 1, 2006 09:47 AM
First, "Hollywood" didn't make PASSION.
Next, Sheehan did write a book; no one read it.
Third, high school history classes around the country teach recent American history; properly taught the facts are presented without editorializing. Good teachers like Dan Drews allow the students to draw their own conclusions.
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at June 1, 2006 02:25 PM
Bane,
My bad, didn't know she wrote a book, it doesn't explain away my point though that this movie was brainstormed and distributed right through the main stream liberal hollywood money-men you guys always decry.
As far as teachers go, i never once had a teacher in highschool (florida or colorado) who ever editorialized about american history, infact it more often than not fairly dry, straight from the text facts and figures. My point that the curriculum doesn't have enough time to fully cover the glut of information we have regarding recent history, plus the fact it is obviously squashed into such a small period of time since it always ends up at the tail end of any semester. I have had some amazing history and civics teachers over the years, and I applaud anyone who goes into the profession, i would like to see more elective courses on the highschool level dedicated more towards modern american history, its pretty sad when the entire Vietnam Conflict or the Berlin Wall is squashed into a hurried paragraph or two, thats my point.
Posted by: Third Eye Open at June 1, 2006 02:40 PM
No, actually Mel Gibson financed the movie himself. He didn't go through the liberal Hollywood types as they wouldn't be involved with such a project.
I was a High School Accounting teacher, (remind me to explain Accrual Accounting to you) also Adult ed. And I knew many fine History Teachers during my years. School Boards and union activists make it hard for teachers to get students to go see movies like this one. Too worried that someone's "feelings" might be hurt by the subject matter, that's why I applaud Dan for encouraging his students to see this movie.
Posted by: Bane of Liberals' Existence at June 1, 2006 08:02 PM
I checked at amazon and found that many people enjoy Ms. Sheehan's contribution as a co-author:
"The Vigil: 26 Days in Crawford Texas"
"Dear President Bush"
"10 Excellent Reasons Not to Join the Military"
"Not one More Mother's Child" (she is listed as the sole author to this one)
The reason I believe that I correctly identify her as exploitative is that she uses her son's death to advance a belief that he was diametrically opposed to.
It's kind of amazing what kind of freedom we who do not teach in the public schools actually have. Thanks for the kind words, Bane.
Posted by: adriandrews at June 1, 2006 09:31 PM
Personally, im waiting for the closed circuit video of Skilling and Lay in "Bang Brothers: Hot lust, Cold Steel"
Bet it made him wish he'd stayed in that classroom reading to elementary students longer.
I just can't bring myself to watch it as I lived it at 35,000 feet on the way from Ohio to California. When you find out your country is under attack at that altitude you get sort of nervous, as it could of been my son and me instead of those on flight 93
Did he address them with a bullhorn afterward?
Gotta love the liberals reaction to the heroes of flight 93. They'll even use the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans to bash Bush. What sad and pathetic lives they lead.
no, we just dont buy into movies whos sole purpose is to make money from the death of people, I didnt find pearl harbor historically illuminating, and im not gonna watch this drivel...i like to read anyways
There is a great story on FreeRepublic from one of the family members that actually went to the screening today with Bush and his family.
For those of you mature enough to go there and understand directly from the family members I suggest you do.
For those that want to hate and just generally be pathetic people, stay here and play with yourselves...Tom, 3rd eyen blind, axis, ash, blarney)
I wonder why "both eye's closed" would see Farenhype 911 that made money off those killed in Iraq when he claims he won't see such movies?
Simple,CJ, Farenhype 911 fits "both eye's closed's" worldview and United 93 does not. United 93 is history, Farenhype 911 is fiction. "both eye's cloesed" preferes fiction over fact.
UNITED 93 is an excellent movie. It should be required viewing in every high school history class when the students are taught about 9/11.
"Let's roll!"
Having seen it myself earlier this week, I have to say the above criticisms from those refusing to watch it are off-base.
First, it was made by someone not on the conservative side of the aisle, from what I understand. Second, it was scripted and acted to be as dry and factual as possible, although it does have some obvious editorial and fictional license since the exact sequence of events on the plane can not be known. But the "dry" feeling the movie conveys works. It doesn't overdramatize the event, and comes off as a semi-historical work. I was a bit disappointed at how it downplayed the "let's roll" quote, burying it in a sequence of that makes it less dramatic, but in hindsight I'm sure the director and writers intended that.
The dryness of the historical facts (told mostly through the air-traffic controllers' POVs) makes scenes like the second plane hitting the tower quite powerful. By refusing to take excessive dramatic license, the movie preserves credibility when it comes to the scenes that need no drama.
One question I have about the movie is the editorial assumption that Flight 93's "leader terrorist" and eventual pilot had second thoughts and caused the delay. This is completely fictional license, and although unknowable factually, his hesitation does convey a sense of knowledge of right and wrong and that he knew his actions were wrong. This is an interesting choice for the writers to use to try to make that point. I wasn't sure I liked the choice as I watched the movie, but I'm not sure I have an issue with it either.
For those of you mature enough to go there
Mature? Free Republic?
Actually gentelmen, and I do use that term loosely, I never saw Farenheit 9/11, ive heard it was funny, but my work and school and volunteering kinda keeps me busy, plus my girlfriend is an art major so generally im being dragged to art exhibits or being forced to eat vegetarian meals...while at an art exhibit...but if you'll excuse me im gonna go kill something and eat it now, ciao
oh by the way, its not that it is liberal or conservative, I just dont relish the idea of trying to make money off the dead families of people who aren't here to correct any misrepresentations, plus I heard they totally cut out the scene with the frozen head of Reagan chewing a cigar and screaming, "Get those towel head bastages, Yeehaw!"
Here is a post from a family member that was ACTUALLY there.
Go ahead lefties, tear down these family members to while you're at it.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1641528/posts
I am a high school history teacher, and, with an "R" rating, I couldn't make the film a mandatory assignment. I did offer my students 10 points extra credit for viewing it..and posting their reaction on my blog.
United 93 is not exploitative. What Cindy Sheehan does is exploitative. What Jack Murtha does is exploitative. There is a big difference between their "peace"-mongering and a film that portrays the last hours of everyday people who found the courage to fight for their lives.
Adriandrews,
If you are encouraging your kids to watch a movie about recent history, im all with you, do you agree we have a serious lack of education about modern american history, Im not TOO far removed from highschool, and i can remember by the time we got to the 50's and Vietnam, it was a short paragraph, and then it was graduation, I would love to see more kids educated in how and why, and for whom americas does what it does, but that might be a class all too itself.
Well you can call Sheehan exploitive, but i don't think she has rwitten a book, or made a movie about her dead son, did anyone ask if the movie makers were so concerned with honoring the citizen on 93, why didnt they give ALL the profits to the familys or charities...or why all the conservatives are so ready to lick boots of the evil, liberal hollywood when they make a movie that appeals so much to them? (read: Passion)
First, "Hollywood" didn't make PASSION.
Next, Sheehan did write a book; no one read it.
Third, high school history classes around the country teach recent American history; properly taught the facts are presented without editorializing. Good teachers like Dan Drews allow the students to draw their own conclusions.
Bane,
My bad, didn't know she wrote a book, it doesn't explain away my point though that this movie was brainstormed and distributed right through the main stream liberal hollywood money-men you guys always decry.
As far as teachers go, i never once had a teacher in highschool (florida or colorado) who ever editorialized about american history, infact it more often than not fairly dry, straight from the text facts and figures. My point that the curriculum doesn't have enough time to fully cover the glut of information we have regarding recent history, plus the fact it is obviously squashed into such a small period of time since it always ends up at the tail end of any semester. I have had some amazing history and civics teachers over the years, and I applaud anyone who goes into the profession, i would like to see more elective courses on the highschool level dedicated more towards modern american history, its pretty sad when the entire Vietnam Conflict or the Berlin Wall is squashed into a hurried paragraph or two, thats my point.
No, actually Mel Gibson financed the movie himself. He didn't go through the liberal Hollywood types as they wouldn't be involved with such a project.
I was a High School Accounting teacher, (remind me to explain Accrual Accounting to you) also Adult ed. And I knew many fine History Teachers during my years. School Boards and union activists make it hard for teachers to get students to go see movies like this one. Too worried that someone's "feelings" might be hurt by the subject matter, that's why I applaud Dan for encouraging his students to see this movie.
I checked at amazon and found that many people enjoy Ms. Sheehan's contribution as a co-author:
"The Vigil: 26 Days in Crawford Texas"
"Dear President Bush"
"10 Excellent Reasons Not to Join the Military"
"Not one More Mother's Child" (she is listed as the sole author to this one)
The reason I believe that I correctly identify her as exploitative is that she uses her son's death to advance a belief that he was diametrically opposed to.
It's kind of amazing what kind of freedom we who do not teach in the public schools actually have. Thanks for the kind words, Bane.