good to see good news, hopefully iraq can be stabilized as soon as possible and we can have our sons and daughters back home with us
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tim steel at May 23, 2006 11:03 AM
uum,
There are just a list of allocations and where they were supposed to go.
To bad most of those aren't going again.
Bush is raiding their little rebuilding fund cookie jar and using it to build 4 permanent super military bases complete with shopping centers, fast food restaurants and american ammenities and also a 104 acre $600 million embassy that is the largest in the world and will house 8000-1000 employees.
The rebuilding is not going well at all. Money was allocated to build several hundrred hospitals, well 20 or so we build and the money was mysteriously all used up
Posted by: axis at May 23, 2006 11:18 AM
Didn't Wolfowitz say that Iraq would be able to pay for its own reconstruction?
Posted by: Georgia Frawg at May 23, 2006 11:21 AM
Georgia, That was just pie-in-the-sky. A lot of assumptions about Iraq just never materialized-that we'd be greeted as liberators-well maybe we would have been if Ambassador Bremer and Rummy hadn't disbanded the Iraqi army. That we'd have a source of cheap oil-well our problems with Iraq and Iran have increased the price of oil. Iraqi oil production is still down from pre-war levels. They also assumed it would be a cakewalk, and didn't believe in nation-building. Centcom had a ten-year plan that carefully took into account the ethnic and religious differences in the region, which was totally ignored by the Neocons.
I was never against removing Saddam Hussein-he deserved to go. But the war has been bungled on so many fronts without any accountability for any of the bunglers. Those with the guts to speak out were labeled "defeatist" or marginalized as the generals were, and their patriotism was questioned-a purely Rovian technique.
This administration has not been straight with the American people on the war and a host of other issues--illegal wiretapping, for one. Bush never looked as foolish as he did in that flak jacket standing on the destroyer under the "mission accomplished" banner. More like "mission impossible IV"!
Posted by: kritter at May 23, 2006 11:42 AM
Eventually Iraq will pay for it and then some. Do liberals ever have the capacity to see beyond today? Ever?
Posted by: Warriornation at May 23, 2006 12:49 PM
The day we see major networks interview, individually, all members of military returning from Iraq and getting the true unbiased reports is the day this country will get the truth. However, as long as we rely on current news sources, the reports will be all anti-American. This is our country. Suggest major networks support our nation, and tell the truth. News people in Iraq report only what their anti-administration networks want, NOT THE TRUTH.
Posted by: cthibo at May 23, 2006 01:08 PM
"Eventually Iraq will pay for it and then some. Do liberals ever have the capacity to see beyond today? Ever?"
--Yeah, thats right, Iraq is going to become an independant state and just voluntarily hand over $500 billion to the US for an illegal war that destroyed their country with a thanks for killing 200 000 of our citizens.
Man, you guys should be fiction writers.
Posted by: axis at May 23, 2006 01:11 PM
Now that David Kay has shown that Iraq was a growing and imminent threat, I'm glad we went in there when we did.
Posted by: TigerDak at May 23, 2006 01:28 PM
Now it's 200,000 Axis? Just last week it was 100,000. Did we drop a nuclear bomb somewhere that doubled the number in one week? Of course the first number of 100,000 is also totally bubkus, but you haven't used facts yet in any of your arguments so why start now.
Let's just say this Axis, my guess (it's purely a guess) is that now that Iraq has a government and will be moving forward in establishing their own Democracy a few things will happen.
1) The USA will have a permanent base(s) there. Or at least for a long time. This is a good thing for Iraq and a good thing for the USA. It's not a good thing for radical Islamo-terrorists and insurgents and likely not a good thing in your eyes either. Funny how your views seem to match up with the terrorists views.
2) Iraq will indeed pay off in some form back to the Coalition forces that helped to give back their country to the people of Iraq. This will be especially true over time as the insurgency is wiped out. It will take time, maybe 5 years...who knows.
Posted by: Warriornation at May 23, 2006 03:08 PM
Absolutely. The other option is to wait until they become an actual threat and then it's too late. No leverage.
Please see North Korea and how Jimbo and Billy handled that one.
Posted by: Warriornation at May 23, 2006 03:09 PM
Actually, its currently estimated at 110 000, I am talking about 10-12 years down the road when the us is ready to leave dum dum, anyone could read that out of my post, except you.
Posted by: axis at May 23, 2006 04:37 PM
Axis - your post is not clear at all about the 200K. Mayb we're taking less Prozac than you. I don't know.
My sources are dozens of friends and relatives from all the armed services but heavily biased towards the Army and Marine Corps. THEY say that the press cowers in Baghdad and knows nothing. THEY say that yes, we had to spend money on security that would have gone to better things. Maybe we didn't handle it right in the beginning. Of course, the liberals were disconnected weren't they? You didn't really help by getting on board, supporting our troops, or offering constructive (operative word) critisism did you? All you did was throw hate at us. You hate Bush, you hate Republicans, and frankly you hate our troops. We are in a god damned war and you guys are still hung up over Florida. get over it. Your hatred is not welcome.
Good. Keep it up. It is your hatred that keeps people from electing you.
Posted by: Kahn at May 23, 2006 04:46 PM
Kahn,
Don't worry about assis, he's just mad because the liberals are out of power in Canada too. and with many of the liberals from the now discredited government being arrested, he has no choice but to turn to the Real Americans and pontificate. Sad and pathetic, dopey little canuck. Canadians don't want to be like us; they want to be us.
Posted by: Rathaven at May 23, 2006 05:36 PM
Matt, I suggest you just head on over to Iraq, take a ride from the airport into town, drive around, grab a snack at a local hangout, spend a week wandering the streets, and then report back to us on all the good news. We'd love to hear it. Obviously our troops are doing the best they can, but until O'Reilly or anyone else who complains that that horrible press just isn't telling us the good news gets over there (and not just from a Green Zone bunker) and shows us all the great things going on, I'm not buying it...
Posted by: jayhay at May 23, 2006 06:32 PM
Hey Jayhay,
Doesn't the same thing apply to you and all the others who say Iraq is a failure? Or do you get to sit at home behind your computer and judge how things are going over there? I would suggest you visit Iraq before claiming that it's a "disaster" or "quagmire" or whatever the adjective of the day is. Or are you just going to rely on the words of an obvious biased media that never sets foot out of the green zone?
Posted by: NC Cop at May 23, 2006 07:15 PM
jahay. Good point. But the point is about your narrow view.
You describe one route in one city. What about the north? What about the South? Have the Marines kicked ass in the west as rumored? I say rumored because their brilliant and hard fought campaign is barely mentioned in the press.
Again - MY sources are soldiers and marines. THEY say the press is full of crap and seems to be actively undermining their efforts. And since I know them, or I'm related to them, I believe THEM.
Posted by: Kahn at May 23, 2006 07:50 PM
attn:Any incite to this would be interesting.
Judge tosses torture suit against CIA.
A federal judge in Rockville,Md.,dismissed a lawsuit by a German man who said he was illegally detained and tortured in overseas prison run by the CIA,ruling that a lawsuit would improperly expose state secrets.Judge T.S. Ellis did not rule on the validity of the claims by Khaled al-Masri,who said he was kidnapped on New years Eve 2003 and detained for nearly five months before finally being dumped on an abandoned road in Albania.The ruling hands a victory to the Bush administration,which intervened in the civil lawsuit to prevent exposure of it's tactics in the war on terrorism."In the present circumstances,al-Masri's private interests must give way to the national interest in preserving state secrets"Ellis wrote.
So now they can torture us?Someone explain?
Posted by: Jeremiah at May 23, 2006 10:39 PM
Posted by: congressive at May 23, 2006 10:43 PM
Incite? Yeah, I got incite ... I was held in a secret CIA prison, too ... yeah, that's the ticket, a CIA prison where they ... uh ... beat me, right, beat me with a ... Koran! Yeah a Koran that somebody ... uh put peanut butter on. That's the ticket!
In GERMANY! You know, the Germany that refused to help Americans in the war, no, no ... wait, in Moslum Albania, yeah, that's it in Albania! Now they're uh ... stealing Iraqi children and ... uh selling them to the Jooos, right, Joos eat Iraqi children!
I don't understand why no one believes me!
(Moron liberals!)
Posted by: Rathaven at May 24, 2006 12:00 AM
Congressive, victory was never an option, it was a ploy to keep bush's polling numbers up by waving the flag and making the public feel patriotic and giddy all over.
Posted by: axis at May 24, 2006 01:10 AM
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Posted by: axis at May 24, 2006 03:26 AM
good to see good news, hopefully iraq can be stabilized as soon as possible and we can have our sons and daughters back home with us
uum,
There are just a list of allocations and where they were supposed to go.
To bad most of those aren't going again.
Bush is raiding their little rebuilding fund cookie jar and using it to build 4 permanent super military bases complete with shopping centers, fast food restaurants and american ammenities and also a 104 acre $600 million embassy that is the largest in the world and will house 8000-1000 employees.
The rebuilding is not going well at all. Money was allocated to build several hundrred hospitals, well 20 or so we build and the money was mysteriously all used up
Didn't Wolfowitz say that Iraq would be able to pay for its own reconstruction?
Georgia, That was just pie-in-the-sky. A lot of assumptions about Iraq just never materialized-that we'd be greeted as liberators-well maybe we would have been if Ambassador Bremer and Rummy hadn't disbanded the Iraqi army. That we'd have a source of cheap oil-well our problems with Iraq and Iran have increased the price of oil. Iraqi oil production is still down from pre-war levels. They also assumed it would be a cakewalk, and didn't believe in nation-building. Centcom had a ten-year plan that carefully took into account the ethnic and religious differences in the region, which was totally ignored by the Neocons.
I was never against removing Saddam Hussein-he deserved to go. But the war has been bungled on so many fronts without any accountability for any of the bunglers. Those with the guts to speak out were labeled "defeatist" or marginalized as the generals were, and their patriotism was questioned-a purely Rovian technique.
This administration has not been straight with the American people on the war and a host of other issues--illegal wiretapping, for one. Bush never looked as foolish as he did in that flak jacket standing on the destroyer under the "mission accomplished" banner. More like "mission impossible IV"!
Eventually Iraq will pay for it and then some. Do liberals ever have the capacity to see beyond today? Ever?
The day we see major networks interview, individually, all members of military returning from Iraq and getting the true unbiased reports is the day this country will get the truth. However, as long as we rely on current news sources, the reports will be all anti-American. This is our country. Suggest major networks support our nation, and tell the truth. News people in Iraq report only what their anti-administration networks want, NOT THE TRUTH.
"Eventually Iraq will pay for it and then some. Do liberals ever have the capacity to see beyond today? Ever?"
--Yeah, thats right, Iraq is going to become an independant state and just voluntarily hand over $500 billion to the US for an illegal war that destroyed their country with a thanks for killing 200 000 of our citizens.
Man, you guys should be fiction writers.
Now that David Kay has shown that Iraq was a growing and imminent threat, I'm glad we went in there when we did.
Now it's 200,000 Axis? Just last week it was 100,000. Did we drop a nuclear bomb somewhere that doubled the number in one week? Of course the first number of 100,000 is also totally bubkus, but you haven't used facts yet in any of your arguments so why start now.
Let's just say this Axis, my guess (it's purely a guess) is that now that Iraq has a government and will be moving forward in establishing their own Democracy a few things will happen.
1) The USA will have a permanent base(s) there. Or at least for a long time. This is a good thing for Iraq and a good thing for the USA. It's not a good thing for radical Islamo-terrorists and insurgents and likely not a good thing in your eyes either. Funny how your views seem to match up with the terrorists views.
2) Iraq will indeed pay off in some form back to the Coalition forces that helped to give back their country to the people of Iraq. This will be especially true over time as the insurgency is wiped out. It will take time, maybe 5 years...who knows.
Absolutely. The other option is to wait until they become an actual threat and then it's too late. No leverage.
Please see North Korea and how Jimbo and Billy handled that one.
Actually, its currently estimated at 110 000, I am talking about 10-12 years down the road when the us is ready to leave dum dum, anyone could read that out of my post, except you.
Axis - your post is not clear at all about the 200K. Mayb we're taking less Prozac than you. I don't know.
My sources are dozens of friends and relatives from all the armed services but heavily biased towards the Army and Marine Corps. THEY say that the press cowers in Baghdad and knows nothing. THEY say that yes, we had to spend money on security that would have gone to better things. Maybe we didn't handle it right in the beginning. Of course, the liberals were disconnected weren't they? You didn't really help by getting on board, supporting our troops, or offering constructive (operative word) critisism did you? All you did was throw hate at us. You hate Bush, you hate Republicans, and frankly you hate our troops. We are in a god damned war and you guys are still hung up over Florida. get over it. Your hatred is not welcome.
Good. Keep it up. It is your hatred that keeps people from electing you.
Kahn,
Don't worry about assis, he's just mad because the liberals are out of power in Canada too. and with many of the liberals from the now discredited government being arrested, he has no choice but to turn to the Real Americans and pontificate. Sad and pathetic, dopey little canuck. Canadians don't want to be like us; they want to be us.
Matt, I suggest you just head on over to Iraq, take a ride from the airport into town, drive around, grab a snack at a local hangout, spend a week wandering the streets, and then report back to us on all the good news. We'd love to hear it. Obviously our troops are doing the best they can, but until O'Reilly or anyone else who complains that that horrible press just isn't telling us the good news gets over there (and not just from a Green Zone bunker) and shows us all the great things going on, I'm not buying it...
Hey Jayhay,
Doesn't the same thing apply to you and all the others who say Iraq is a failure? Or do you get to sit at home behind your computer and judge how things are going over there? I would suggest you visit Iraq before claiming that it's a "disaster" or "quagmire" or whatever the adjective of the day is. Or are you just going to rely on the words of an obvious biased media that never sets foot out of the green zone?
jahay. Good point. But the point is about your narrow view.
You describe one route in one city. What about the north? What about the South? Have the Marines kicked ass in the west as rumored? I say rumored because their brilliant and hard fought campaign is barely mentioned in the press.
Again - MY sources are soldiers and marines. THEY say the press is full of crap and seems to be actively undermining their efforts. And since I know them, or I'm related to them, I believe THEM.
attn:Any incite to this would be interesting.
Judge tosses torture suit against CIA.
A federal judge in Rockville,Md.,dismissed a lawsuit by a German man who said he was illegally detained and tortured in overseas prison run by the CIA,ruling that a lawsuit would improperly expose state secrets.Judge T.S. Ellis did not rule on the validity of the claims by Khaled al-Masri,who said he was kidnapped on New years Eve 2003 and detained for nearly five months before finally being dumped on an abandoned road in Albania.The ruling hands a victory to the Bush administration,which intervened in the civil lawsuit to prevent exposure of it's tactics in the war on terrorism."In the present circumstances,al-Masri's private interests must give way to the national interest in preserving state secrets"Ellis wrote.
So now they can torture us?Someone explain?
So much for VICTORY...
Incite? Yeah, I got incite ... I was held in a secret CIA prison, too ... yeah, that's the ticket, a CIA prison where they ... uh ... beat me, right, beat me with a ... Koran! Yeah a Koran that somebody ... uh put peanut butter on. That's the ticket!
In GERMANY! You know, the Germany that refused to help Americans in the war, no, no ... wait, in Moslum Albania, yeah, that's it in Albania! Now they're uh ... stealing Iraqi children and ... uh selling them to the Jooos, right, Joos eat Iraqi children!
I don't understand why no one believes me!
(Moron liberals!)
Congressive, victory was never an option, it was a ploy to keep bush's polling numbers up by waving the flag and making the public feel patriotic and giddy all over.
Deleted - anti-American slanders