The only people who weren't satisfied with the speech were probably just being unreasonable all along.

Pres. Bush did the absolute minimum that the American people are demanding on border control. I am a Democrat but am very angry that millions of illegals are flowing over the border. This is not just a conservative issue and the Democratic party better wake up to this fact or they will never gain a majority in the House or Senate.

i am a democrat and am furious with the democratic party for supporting illegal immigration. they are selling out to american businessmen. it has nothing to do with sympathy for the illegals. i want to throw the republicans out of the senate but look what we'll get in their place - a bunch of pandering demos who pretend to be interested in the welfare of illegals. how did we get such a hypocritical bunch in congress - not to mention the white house?

For the record, I really hate it when I agree with everyone in here, nobody ever comments on my posts. Must I play Devil's advocate???

Let em stay, make em go home, amnesty for everyone!!! All hail Vicente Fox! Anything???

Captain,

Ummmm...lets see...well, I don't like your grammatical style.

Feel better?

:o)

Matt,

In my view it is just confirmation that when you do the right thing, it all works out in the end...President Bush didn't retreat from oft-stated principle, nor did he pander to any particular group with a dog in the immigration hunt...he has come up with a reasonable plan for reform, and now it is up to everyone else to either agree or disagree...time for serious political leadership at the legislative level...we'll see if they are capable of it in Congress.

I'm not sure how well this approach has been thought out. Will the National Guard be armed? From initial reports they will train, do administrative duty, construction work, etc. From what I have heard there are occasional physical confrontations there. I know I wouldn't want to be there unarmed. So that in itself could be provacative.

I hope there is some "exit" strategy.

How is it reasonable to pursue a strategy that has failed repeatedly?

If they have no jobs, they will not come. Jail and fine anybody who hires an undocumented worker. Peace

I was wondering if President Bush received permission from President Fox before he made that speach,he must have because he sold the store

In addition to the National Guard, how about sending 6000 IRS agents into the field to arrest people for hiring "illegals" off the books? It seems to me that's where the problem is. If they were paying decent wages, American citizens might be willing to do the work. Or maybe I'm just a dreamin' lefty...what do you think?

Ash,

My dad had that same worry this morning...what happens when some renegade Mexican army unit is trying to assist smugglers and they come across a National Guard unit? Could get tricky, real fast.

Part of the risks we have to run - we must have a secure border.

danimal,

You might be all sorts of lefty, but that view is just common sensical, and therefore it is theoretically possible for a lefty to stumble across it...

President Bush has provisions to call business to account - no more hiring of illegals without punishment for the offending employers...that, in and of itself, will dry up a huge amount of the illegal crossing.

My big hope now is that some major polling outfit will take a poll and that it will show even a 1 percentage point gain for the President over the previous poll...that'll get the Drive By Media to stop taking all of these polls...they are rather annoying and completely useless....just the MSM making up news to report about...

And according to Drudge the corrupt Mexican government plans to sue about the national guard. I can see them judge shopping to some liberat rat, US judge.

What he did NOT point out is those illegals that have had children here are here to stay by law and those that have not have children will start to. The American people are NOT as smart and well informed as you think. Everyone is still playing politics.

Put up the WALL and start bussing them out. Those that say it will not work are just kidding themselves, hell I'm even ready for a "turkey" shoot.

no habla inglés.

I am wondering if this poll was impacted by the infamous 16 secs

I feel very let down by the President.

Reality to Mark:

Rogue Mexican army units are helping smugglers? Since when?

My point beyond that was all rhetoric and no proper planning could lead to a disaster. Ooops I mean another disaster. (Iraq being one)

Will the N.G. be armed? Trained in combat? Hey I spent 6 years in the Air Force Reserves and I was never taught how to kill someone.

taking all of these polls...they are rather annoying and completely useless

I have saved this quote Mark in a Word document. If by some miracle W. gets out of the 20's and you even hint at crowing, I will paste it in bold type.

In my opinion Bush is doing the right thing, I disagree with the idea that he has “sold the store”. The fact of the matter is: we are talking about human beings. What Bush wants to do recognizes this, and serves to protect lives. Furthermore, you can’t punish employers until you have a Guest Worker Program and an identification card.

The Bush plan does several things:

1) It recognizes the dignity of human life.
2) It secures America.
3) It recognizes our historic roots.
4) Doesn’t pander to any interest group.
5) And protects workers for exploitation.

Overall I think Bush is taking a principled stand.

Also if anyone watched Karl Rove yesterday they know that mid-terms are going to be a real fight. The Democrats will be caught off guard and evidently they haven’t learned from last time that their sole position can’t be: I’m not Bush.

The whole immigration issue has opened up a can of worms within the Republican party. On the one hand, you have the pro-business faction, which wants a "guest worker" program that allows business to continue to exploit cheap labor without having to pay workers comp, health insurance, fair wages, etc. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who want to treat undocumented immigrants as felons, and see militarization of the border as the solution to the problem.

Bush, while trying to toe a middle line, has been and is clearly in the pro-business camp.

The real solution to the problem is also the simplest and most cost effective: vigorously enforce existing laws sanctioning the hiring of undocumented immigrants.

Wonder why the MSM doesn't report this? Wonder why Bush eliminated a very effective Department of Labor program which had been successful at rooting out phony social security numbers?

Interesting, indeed.

The whole immigration issue has opened up a can of worms within the Republican party. On the one hand, you have the pro-business faction, which wants a "guest worker" program that allows business to continue to exploit cheap labor without having to pay workers comp, health insurance, fair wages, etc. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who want to treat undocumented immigrants as felons, and see militarization of the border as the solution to the problem.

Bush, while trying to toe a middle line, has been and is clearly in the pro-business camp.

The real solution to the problem is also the simplest and most cost effective: vigorously enforce existing laws sanctioning the hiring of undocumented immigrants.

Wonder why the MSM doesn't report this? Wonder why Bush eliminated a very effective Department of Labor program which had been successful at rooting out phony social security numbers?

Interesting, indeed.

The whole immigration issue has opened up a can of worms within the Republican party. On the one hand, you have the pro-business faction, which wants a "guest worker" program that allows business to continue to exploit cheap labor without having to pay workers comp, health insurance, fair wages, etc. On the other hand, you have the social conservatives, who want to treat undocumented immigrants as felons, and see militarization of the border as the solution to the problem.

Bush, while trying to toe a middle line, has been and is clearly in the pro-business camp.

The real solution to the problem is also the simplest and most cost effective: vigorously enforce existing laws sanctioning the hiring of undocumented immigrants.

Wonder why the MSM doesn't report this? Wonder why Bush eliminated a very effective Department of Labor program which had been successful at rooting out phony social security numbers?

Interesting, indeed.

Cookie

The same split is apparent in the democrat party as well, but at least the Republicans are being honest about their internal division.

Union leaders are absolutely up in arms about illegal immigration, as well they should be, but other than paying lip service, there is not democrat leadership to support their position. In the meantime, the dems, Kennedy et al, are pandering to the hispanic vote, looking to legalize and then grant citizenship to a whole new group of poor victims, yearning for the government welfare dole.

At least the House Republicans have the guts to stand up and defy their President and try to stop this wholesale give away of the country.

If the dems loose their labor base they are doomed for sure in Novemeber.

Phnxbmed-

The Dems are split between the factions. One is the pro-labor faction, which generally opposes guest workers and "easy" immigration policies, because undocumenteds work for less and are not union workers. The "Republicrats" support the big business agenda of q guest worker program because thier extensive use of undocumented immigrants is highly profitable.

In the end, some sort of "compromise" will happen, nothing that anyone will be satisified with, but it will give the pols a chance to "settle" the issue/s and "move on". In other words, business as usual.

Regarding the Dems losing their labor base, I think that already has occurred. But that is not really important, as organize labor's clout has been practically eliminated from the equation for years. The Republicans will lose big time in the Nov elections because voters, including many traditional conservatives, are not happy with Congress or Bush.

On the plus side, how bout those Phoenix Suns? GO STEVE NASH!

Phnxbmed-

The Dems are split between the factions. One is the pro-labor faction, which generally opposes guest workers and "easy" immigration policies, because undocumenteds work for less and are not union workers. The "Republicrats" support the big business agenda of q guest worker program because thier extensive use of undocumented immigrants is highly profitable.

In the end, some sort of "compromise" will happen, nothing that anyone will be satisified with, but it will give the pols a chance to "settle" the issue/s and "move on". In other words, business as usual.

Regarding the Dems losing their labor base, I think that already has occurred. But that is not really important, as organize labor's clout has been practically eliminated from the equation for years. The Republicans will lose big time in the Nov elections because voters, including many traditional conservatives, are not happy with Congress or Bush.

On the plus side, how bout those Phoenix Suns? GO STEVE NASH!