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Posted by: wawilliyo at May 14, 2006 07:10 PM
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Posted by: steve at May 14, 2006 07:14 PM
A touching anecdote Mark.
Now, if only the left and right could get alongs as well, just think how great America could become and what it could accomplish by putting aside the perrty partisan differences in favor of strengthing the country and national unity.
Democrats are traditionally better at : Strong economies, balanced budgets, fiscal responsibility, protecting civil liberities and constitutional rights, management of social programs, stronger ties with other nations
Republicans are traditionally better at national defense, protecting traditional values, firm but moderate foreign policies, income tax moderation
Now, just think what could be accomplished if you combined those qualities into one, instead of choosing from one or another
Posted by: axis at May 14, 2006 07:33 PM
Hey Mark, I had a nice weekend too. Saturday I had a lot of fun playing soldier with lots of other folks in the area. I didn't realize how many folks were getting into Airsoft in my area, and how diverse a group of folks it was too!
From former soldiers (Brittish, Canadian, and American BTW) and marines, to father's and daughters. (Coolest 13 year old girl I've met. :) ) Every race, color, and creed was represented and we had a good old time in the desert sun.
There are good things going on every day.
Posted by:
Gozer at May 14, 2006 07:43 PM
Sounds like a real melting pot over at your pool - literally!
Posted by: extramedium at May 14, 2006 07:55 PM
Axis,
Disputing the notion that Democrats are good at strong economies and balanced budgets (I am old enough to remember Carter, after all), but the basic concept is ok...
Posted by: Mark Noonan at May 14, 2006 08:20 PM
extra,
It was...I was just touched by it, and wanted to share it with all and sundry...
Posted by: Mark Noonan at May 14, 2006 08:21 PM
Sounds like a very nice day, Mark. I love the desert heat; I spent five years in Arizona while in the Air Force. Loved it!
Alas, my birthday wish didn't come true, yet again...
Posted by: keefer at May 14, 2006 09:12 PM
Yes, I am glad to hear that. Very glad. Isn't that the way it should be? People sharing the community pool. Getting along great. All races, creeds and colors.
It seems like the point of your post is, that surprisingly even you and those who share your sometimes unbelieveable viewpoints are really people. Just regular everyday people who want to get along. It is so hard for me to believe that. I question whether your being subtlely scarcastic. I dunno, I personally would love to see more real down to earth posts like that.
Thank you for making my day a little brighter.
Really.
Posted by: raker13 at May 14, 2006 10:15 PM
raker,
Its sincere - I'm Catholic.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at May 14, 2006 10:26 PM
*Chuckles*
Keefer you liked our heat? Even the 120-130 degree summer days? Growing up in Needles it wasn't as bad because I could go to the river when I needed to, but here in Barstow there's nowhere to swim! GAH! :)
Posted by:
Gozer at May 14, 2006 10:40 PM
I'm a conservative, not a Republican. I live in Orange County, CA. We CHOSE to live in a city that we (as whites) are minorities. The city is over 50% Asian, about 40% caucasian and the rest African American and Hispanic. We love our town, great little city.
Meanwhile my liberal friends preach diversity all the time and all live in 90%+ white cities in their gated little communities.
I always find it funny. One talks the talk, others are actually living it real life. They are hypocrites and I tell them every time I go to their homes to put in the damn little code to get into their fortress. They don't care.
Posted by: Warriornation at May 14, 2006 10:52 PM
mark, not all, I said traditionally, meaning by an historical average.
This administration for example does not fall into many of those traditional strengths.
They all have strengths and weaknesses. Clinton was good for the economy and fiscal responsibility, good for the average working Joe, but had a weak foreign policy and many of laws passed were short sighted and poorly thought out, like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.
Posted by: axis at May 15, 2006 12:05 AM
Those are some zippy sounding statistics. It's a shame they're completely wrong.
Ornage County Census Bureau says the OC is more "white" than the average California city, and only about 14% Asian. And in fact, has 60% FEWER blacks than the average California city. And even 2% FEWER Hispanics than the average CA city.
You just checked your gut on this one, didn't you? It just FELT like a racially diverse city, right?
But don't trust me. Look it up yourself.
Posted by: congressive at May 15, 2006 12:21 AM
And what was that word again? "Hypocrites", was it? The funniest thought is of you actually going to "their" homes. That's tough to picture.
Posted by: congressive at May 15, 2006 12:29 AM
Warmongernation says, "I live in Orange County, CA. We CHOSE to live in a city that we (as whites) are minorities. The city is over 50% Asian, about 40% caucasian and the rest African American and Hispanic."
Um, are we talking about the same Orange County that is 65% white, 2% black, and 14% Asian? That Orange County?
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06059.html
Me thinks War Boy just pulled a Rummy.
Posted by: maf53 at May 15, 2006 12:30 AM
Huh that's odd. Every time I've gone to Orange County to visit my family I see lots of asian folks around. Hard to imagine they're only 14% now. I wonder where they all moved to?
Posted by:
Gozer at May 15, 2006 02:21 AM
maf,
There is a difference between Orange County and a city contained within Orange County...could very well be that the County is majority white, but one of the many cities is majority Asian...in fact, I think there's one town down there which is majority Vietnamese.
Methinks you just pulled a Lefty - this is where you deliberately misinterpret what someone says so that it comes out a lie...
Posted by: Mark Noonan at May 15, 2006 02:37 AM
I appologize but I can't help but think there were 95 white people and then one each of the races you described. They might have had families which could bump the number to 15.
Posted by: Keefer at May 15, 2006 11:04 AM
Mark,
That's just not fair. You are defending a like-minded poster. Of course that's your prerogative. But there is no misinterpretation here. Maybe Warriornation MEANT to say Anaheim or Garden Grove, but he didn't. Maybe he'll clarify his post. But as his post stands now, he B.S.'ed. I am not saying he's lying, as he may well believe his stats are true, maybe he read them on a blog somewhere. But he didn't check his stats against anything.
Opinions are opinions, and blogs thrive on them. But I know you also value reality on this board. Opinions of oneself and others based on fiction are worthless, and perhaps even dangerous, and are certainly not conducive to intelligent debate.
Posted by: congressive at May 15, 2006 11:23 AM
congressive,
Some cities in Orange County are much more diverse than others. For example, in Westminster the breakdown is: White Non-Hispanic (36.2%), Vietnamese (30.7%), Hispanic (21.7%), Other race (10.2%). Garden Grove is very similar (except the Vietnamese and Hispanic populations are reversed). There are places in both cities (they abut each other) where it's hard to get around unless you read Vietnamese.
There is also a big difference in demographics between north and south OC. North OC is much more racially diverse than the south. Places like Mission Viejo, Laguna Niguel, Dana Point, Laguna Beach, San Clemente, Aliso Viejo, are all 75% white or more. Even San Juan Capistrano is 65% white.
Posted by: Ricorun at May 15, 2006 12:55 PM
Check out La Palma, California you idiots.
Orange COUNTY has many CITIES.
Good grief, we are actually arguing with these retards when they cannot even follow a thread. No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is Santa Ana is mostly white...it, too, is in Orange County.
Get back to me on La Palma and tell me about the racial profile.
Then I'll except an apology from each of you. It's the reason we CHOSE LaPalma...for it's diversity.
Posted by: Warriornation at May 15, 2006 01:28 PM
Here's a few helpful links for you on the left....apology better becoming...oh wait, only Bush isn't capable of apologizing.
If you guys can't even handle this EASY project of arguing and finding data, why on EARTH should we believe you with any of your other crap you spread here daily?
http://www.muninetguide.com/states/california/municipality/La_Palma.php
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popInfo.php?locIndex=10368
Posted by: Warriornation at May 15, 2006 01:33 PM
Next time instead of blabbing your mouths you liberals (remember, you guys are the TOLERANT ones), perhaps you should have ASKED which city we live in before assuming because the county is white, that the CITY I live in is white.
But no, you liberals would never ASSUME or do something like that would you.
Talk about absolutely looking stupid, congrats lefties...you take the cake again. All you had to do was ask.
Good grief.
http://www.cityoflapalma.org/info/demographics.html
Yeah, I want these TOLERANT liberals running my life. LOL
Posted by: Warriornation at May 15, 2006 01:36 PM
Warmongernation,
I don't know. You implied that you live in Orange, CA. As in the city.
Nevertheless, I shouldn't have jumped the gun like that. You are right. I hope you accept my sincere apologies.
Signed,
maf53
Posted by: maf53 at May 15, 2006 02:32 PM
No MAF I did not. I said I lived in Orange County, nowhere did I say I live in the city of Orange.
Posted by: Warriornation at May 15, 2006 02:37 PM
OK, let's recap:
1. Warriornation has a touch of "yellow fever" i.e. digs the Asian babes. Nothing wrong with that.
2. Liberals look stupid for taking conservatives literally.
3. When a liberal says he/she lives in delightfully racially-diverse Ada County, Idaho, conservatives will be sure to ask which parcel before calling him/her a liar.
Ok, now we know...
My hopeful vision with your poolside scenario is that, at that moment, looking over those 100 people on that beautiful day, in that context, no one there was postponing having a suspicious mole attended to because he/she lacked healthcare insurance, and that everyone was using sunscreen. No one was risking pregnancy and disease that night because they vowed chastity but fell head over heels in love with the poolside hottie and was too embarassed to buy a condom, which they needed because their pharmacist refuse to sell them contraception. That no one there was drinking a benzene-laced Fanta soda simply because they didn't know any better, and that no one had to even think there might be anything strange in the hot dogs because their food was so well monitored by their government. That no one there was swimming in arsenic, PCBs or DDT. That no one there had a brother or sister or father maimed or killed by a strange long war for lack of proper equipment.
That everyone there KNEW their tax money was being spent on safe highways, clean air, safe streets, safe water, secure borders, preventative medical care, great-grandma's Social Security, peaceful coexistence with neighbor countries and competent military action against those who would bring harm upon us.
That everyone there could know their great-great-great grandchildren would someday enjoy a poolside afternoon just like that one.
But, doesn't everyone want all that?
Posted by: congressive at May 15, 2006 03:08 PM
That's the entire point, you guys believe what you want to believe and read what you want to read.
"Mission Accomplished" becomes something it never was intended to be because you guys blow it out of proportion or just flat out mislabel it.
And on and on. This little exercise on this city is just a small capsule of what you guys do every damn day.
Posted by: Warriornation at May 15, 2006 04:20 PM
Back to the point, Yes Mark, it is a great vision.
Posted by: girl scout at May 15, 2006 05:01 PM
Mark, thanks for a simple post about the joys of living in real America--not the twisted versions put out by Hollyweird, or the yellow press, but about the types of communities we, for the most part, live in.
One of the many lessons of Katrina was the realization, for the first time, for many southern black people that not all white people hate black people---they went to places like Idaho and Utah and Colorado and were warmly welcomed, given jobs and housing, and learned that the heartland of the nation is a good place.
While I am not a racist, I freely admit to being a culturist---I much prefer being around people who share the same basic values and cultural references that I have. So I could be completely comfortable in a group as racially mixed as the one you described, as long as we were all similar in the ways that matter, and completely miserable in a group of white-skinned bigots, swingers, rappers, or even Air America fans.
However, the 100-degree heat would be a deal-breaker. Get them to my mountaintop and I'll buy the beer.
Posted by: Almiranta at May 16, 2006 10:17 PM
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A touching anecdote Mark.
Now, if only the left and right could get alongs as well, just think how great America could become and what it could accomplish by putting aside the perrty partisan differences in favor of strengthing the country and national unity.
Democrats are traditionally better at : Strong economies, balanced budgets, fiscal responsibility, protecting civil liberities and constitutional rights, management of social programs, stronger ties with other nations
Republicans are traditionally better at national defense, protecting traditional values, firm but moderate foreign policies, income tax moderation
Now, just think what could be accomplished if you combined those qualities into one, instead of choosing from one or another
Hey Mark, I had a nice weekend too. Saturday I had a lot of fun playing soldier with lots of other folks in the area. I didn't realize how many folks were getting into Airsoft in my area, and how diverse a group of folks it was too!
From former soldiers (Brittish, Canadian, and American BTW) and marines, to father's and daughters. (Coolest 13 year old girl I've met. :) ) Every race, color, and creed was represented and we had a good old time in the desert sun.
There are good things going on every day.
Sounds like a real melting pot over at your pool - literally!
Axis,
Disputing the notion that Democrats are good at strong economies and balanced budgets (I am old enough to remember Carter, after all), but the basic concept is ok...
extra,
It was...I was just touched by it, and wanted to share it with all and sundry...
Sounds like a very nice day, Mark. I love the desert heat; I spent five years in Arizona while in the Air Force. Loved it!
Alas, my birthday wish didn't come true, yet again...
Yes, I am glad to hear that. Very glad. Isn't that the way it should be? People sharing the community pool. Getting along great. All races, creeds and colors.
It seems like the point of your post is, that surprisingly even you and those who share your sometimes unbelieveable viewpoints are really people. Just regular everyday people who want to get along. It is so hard for me to believe that. I question whether your being subtlely scarcastic. I dunno, I personally would love to see more real down to earth posts like that.
Thank you for making my day a little brighter.
Really.
raker,
Its sincere - I'm Catholic.
*Chuckles*
Keefer you liked our heat? Even the 120-130 degree summer days? Growing up in Needles it wasn't as bad because I could go to the river when I needed to, but here in Barstow there's nowhere to swim! GAH! :)
I'm a conservative, not a Republican. I live in Orange County, CA. We CHOSE to live in a city that we (as whites) are minorities. The city is over 50% Asian, about 40% caucasian and the rest African American and Hispanic. We love our town, great little city.
Meanwhile my liberal friends preach diversity all the time and all live in 90%+ white cities in their gated little communities.
I always find it funny. One talks the talk, others are actually living it real life. They are hypocrites and I tell them every time I go to their homes to put in the damn little code to get into their fortress. They don't care.
mark, not all, I said traditionally, meaning by an historical average.
This administration for example does not fall into many of those traditional strengths.
They all have strengths and weaknesses. Clinton was good for the economy and fiscal responsibility, good for the average working Joe, but had a weak foreign policy and many of laws passed were short sighted and poorly thought out, like the Digital Millenium Copyright Act.
Those are some zippy sounding statistics. It's a shame they're completely wrong.
Ornage County Census Bureau says the OC is more "white" than the average California city, and only about 14% Asian. And in fact, has 60% FEWER blacks than the average California city. And even 2% FEWER Hispanics than the average CA city.
You just checked your gut on this one, didn't you? It just FELT like a racially diverse city, right?
But don't trust me. Look it up yourself.
And what was that word again? "Hypocrites", was it? The funniest thought is of you actually going to "their" homes. That's tough to picture.
Warmongernation says, "I live in Orange County, CA. We CHOSE to live in a city that we (as whites) are minorities. The city is over 50% Asian, about 40% caucasian and the rest African American and Hispanic."
Um, are we talking about the same Orange County that is 65% white, 2% black, and 14% Asian? That Orange County?
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06059.html
Me thinks War Boy just pulled a Rummy.
Huh that's odd. Every time I've gone to Orange County to visit my family I see lots of asian folks around. Hard to imagine they're only 14% now. I wonder where they all moved to?
maf,
There is a difference between Orange County and a city contained within Orange County...could very well be that the County is majority white, but one of the many cities is majority Asian...in fact, I think there's one town down there which is majority Vietnamese.
Methinks you just pulled a Lefty - this is where you deliberately misinterpret what someone says so that it comes out a lie...
I appologize but I can't help but think there were 95 white people and then one each of the races you described. They might have had families which could bump the number to 15.
Mark,
That's just not fair. You are defending a like-minded poster. Of course that's your prerogative. But there is no misinterpretation here. Maybe Warriornation MEANT to say Anaheim or Garden Grove, but he didn't. Maybe he'll clarify his post. But as his post stands now, he B.S.'ed. I am not saying he's lying, as he may well believe his stats are true, maybe he read them on a blog somewhere. But he didn't check his stats against anything.
Opinions are opinions, and blogs thrive on them. But I know you also value reality on this board. Opinions of oneself and others based on fiction are worthless, and perhaps even dangerous, and are certainly not conducive to intelligent debate.
congressive,
Some cities in Orange County are much more diverse than others. For example, in Westminster the breakdown is: White Non-Hispanic (36.2%), Vietnamese (30.7%), Hispanic (21.7%), Other race (10.2%). Garden Grove is very similar (except the Vietnamese and Hispanic populations are reversed). There are places in both cities (they abut each other) where it's hard to get around unless you read Vietnamese.
There is also a big difference in demographics between north and south OC. North OC is much more racially diverse than the south. Places like Mission Viejo, Laguna Niguel, Dana Point, Laguna Beach, San Clemente, Aliso Viejo, are all 75% white or more. Even San Juan Capistrano is 65% white.
Check out La Palma, California you idiots.
Orange COUNTY has many CITIES.
Good grief, we are actually arguing with these retards when they cannot even follow a thread. No wonder this country is going to hell in a hand basket.
I suppose the next thing you are going to tell me is Santa Ana is mostly white...it, too, is in Orange County.
Get back to me on La Palma and tell me about the racial profile.
Then I'll except an apology from each of you. It's the reason we CHOSE LaPalma...for it's diversity.
Here's a few helpful links for you on the left....apology better becoming...oh wait, only Bush isn't capable of apologizing.
If you guys can't even handle this EASY project of arguing and finding data, why on EARTH should we believe you with any of your other crap you spread here daily?
http://www.muninetguide.com/states/california/municipality/La_Palma.php
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/popInfo.php?locIndex=10368
Next time instead of blabbing your mouths you liberals (remember, you guys are the TOLERANT ones), perhaps you should have ASKED which city we live in before assuming because the county is white, that the CITY I live in is white.
But no, you liberals would never ASSUME or do something like that would you.
Talk about absolutely looking stupid, congrats lefties...you take the cake again. All you had to do was ask.
Good grief.
http://www.cityoflapalma.org/info/demographics.html
Yeah, I want these TOLERANT liberals running my life. LOL
Warmongernation,
I don't know. You implied that you live in Orange, CA. As in the city.
Nevertheless, I shouldn't have jumped the gun like that. You are right. I hope you accept my sincere apologies.
Signed,
maf53
No MAF I did not. I said I lived in Orange County, nowhere did I say I live in the city of Orange.
OK, let's recap:
1. Warriornation has a touch of "yellow fever" i.e. digs the Asian babes. Nothing wrong with that.
2. Liberals look stupid for taking conservatives literally.
3. When a liberal says he/she lives in delightfully racially-diverse Ada County, Idaho, conservatives will be sure to ask which parcel before calling him/her a liar.
Ok, now we know...
My hopeful vision with your poolside scenario is that, at that moment, looking over those 100 people on that beautiful day, in that context, no one there was postponing having a suspicious mole attended to because he/she lacked healthcare insurance, and that everyone was using sunscreen. No one was risking pregnancy and disease that night because they vowed chastity but fell head over heels in love with the poolside hottie and was too embarassed to buy a condom, which they needed because their pharmacist refuse to sell them contraception. That no one there was drinking a benzene-laced Fanta soda simply because they didn't know any better, and that no one had to even think there might be anything strange in the hot dogs because their food was so well monitored by their government. That no one there was swimming in arsenic, PCBs or DDT. That no one there had a brother or sister or father maimed or killed by a strange long war for lack of proper equipment.
That everyone there KNEW their tax money was being spent on safe highways, clean air, safe streets, safe water, secure borders, preventative medical care, great-grandma's Social Security, peaceful coexistence with neighbor countries and competent military action against those who would bring harm upon us.
That everyone there could know their great-great-great grandchildren would someday enjoy a poolside afternoon just like that one.
But, doesn't everyone want all that?
That's the entire point, you guys believe what you want to believe and read what you want to read.
"Mission Accomplished" becomes something it never was intended to be because you guys blow it out of proportion or just flat out mislabel it.
And on and on. This little exercise on this city is just a small capsule of what you guys do every damn day.
Back to the point, Yes Mark, it is a great vision.
Mark, thanks for a simple post about the joys of living in real America--not the twisted versions put out by Hollyweird, or the yellow press, but about the types of communities we, for the most part, live in.
One of the many lessons of Katrina was the realization, for the first time, for many southern black people that not all white people hate black people---they went to places like Idaho and Utah and Colorado and were warmly welcomed, given jobs and housing, and learned that the heartland of the nation is a good place.
While I am not a racist, I freely admit to being a culturist---I much prefer being around people who share the same basic values and cultural references that I have. So I could be completely comfortable in a group as racially mixed as the one you described, as long as we were all similar in the ways that matter, and completely miserable in a group of white-skinned bigots, swingers, rappers, or even Air America fans.
However, the 100-degree heat would be a deal-breaker. Get them to my mountaintop and I'll buy the beer.