I had an open thread once and so I pulled it and pulled it and finally my whole sweater unravelled. That really sucked.

It was reported this week that 2 million newborns die within 24 hours of birth due to poor pre-natal care. How would the pro-lifers solve this problem and save a few million lives? Peace

That reminds me of the old saying, "A stitch in time saves nine." Hmmmm, this could apply to the illegal immigration problem we have. Let's stitch up the border NOW!!!

It's only obvious that Bush knows more than we do - and much more than any journalist...I know that he is doing everything within his constitutional powers to protect this nation...the journalists are only protecting their bias and with that who gives a crap.

On frontpagemag.com I found this...

A document was recovered in a raid by Swiss authorities in November 2001, two months after the horror of 9/11. Since that time information about this document, known in counterterrorism circles as "The Project", and discussion regarding its content has been limited to the top-secret world of Western intelligence communities. Only through the work of an intrepid Swiss journalist, Sylvain Besson of Le Temps, and his book published in October 2005 in France, La conquête de l'Occident: Le projet secret des Islamistes (The Conquest of the West: The Islamists' Secret Project), has information regarding The Project finally been made public. One Western official cited by Besson has described The Project as "a totalitarian ideology of infiltration which represents, in the end, the greatest danger for European societies."

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent and Merciful - S/5/100 report - 1/12/1982 [December 1, 1982]

Towards a worldwide strategy for Islamic policy
(Points of Departure, Elements, Procedures and Missions)

This report presents a global vision of a worldwide strategy for Islamic policy [or "political Islam"]. Local Islamic policies will be drawn up in the different regions in accordance with its guidelines. It acts, first of all, to define the points of departure of that policy, then to set up the components and the most important procedures linked to each point of departure; finally we suggest several missions, by way of example only, may Allah protect us.

The following are the principal points of departure of this policy:

Point of Departure 1: To know the terrain and adopt a scientific methodology for its planning and execution.

Point of Departure 2: To demonstrate proof of the serious nature of the work.

Point of Departure 3: To reconcile international engagement with flexibility at a local level.

Point of Departure 4: To reconcile political engagement and the necessity of avoiding isolation on one hand, with permanent education and institutional action on the other.

Point of Departure 5: To be used to establish an Islamic State; parallel, progressive efforts targeted at controlling the local centers of power through institutional action.

Point of Departure 6: To work with loyalty alongside Islamic groups and institutions in multiple areas to agree on common ground, in order to "cooperate on the points of agreement and set aside the points of disagreement".

Point of Departure 7: To accept the principle of temporary cooperation between Islamic movements and nationalist movements in the broad sphere and on common ground such as the struggle against colonialism, preaching and the Jewish state, without however having to form alliances. This will require, on the other hand, limited contacts between certain leaders, on a case by case basis, as long as these contacts do not violate the [shari’a] law. Nevertheless, one must not give them allegiance or take them into confidence, bearing in mind that the Islamic movement must be the origin of the initiatives and orientations taken.

Point of Departure 8: To master the art of the possible on a temporary basis without abusing the basic principles, bearing in mind that Allah's teachings always apply. One must order the suitable and forbid that which is not, always providing a documented opinion. But we should not look for confrontation with our adversaries, at the local or the global scale, which would be disproportionate and could lead to attacks against the dawa or its disciples.

Point of Departure 9: To construct a permanent force of the Islamic dawa and support movements engaged in jihad across the Muslim world, to varying degrees and insofar as possible.

Point of Departure 10: To use diverse and varied surveillance systems, in several places, to gather information and adopt a single effective warning system serving the worldwide Islamic movement. In fact, surveillance, policy decisions and effective communications complement each other.

Point of Departure 11: To adopt the Palestinian cause as part of a worldwide Islamic plan, with the policy plan and by means of jihad, since it acts as the keystone of the renaissance of the Arab world today.

Point of Departure 12: To know how to turn to self-criticism and permanent evaluation of worldwide Islamic policy and its objectives, of its content and its procedures, in order to improve it. This is a duty and a necessity according to the precepts of shari’a.

Bush knows what he is doing......................

Maybe you should do a story about how Bush has fallen to 29% approval.

Fake Keefer,
Go somewhere else. One keefer is all we need.

The notion from some in the press that Bush lives in a glass bubble and only hears what he wants to hear has been busted (read below)...wonder how many will report this today! Madelyn not-so-bright) Albright was too!

THE PRESIDENT: I've just completed a second meeting with former Secretaries of State and former Secretaries of Defense on Iraq. We also discussed the broader Middle East, as well.

I want to thank you all very much for sharing your thoughts not only with me, but with the Vice President and Secretary Rice and Secretary Rumsfeld. It really means a lot to hear your thoughts and your concerns and your suggestions about the way forward in Iraq. We've had our disagreements in this country about whether or not we should be there in the first place. Now the fundamental question is, how do we achieve our objectives, which is a democracy which can defend itself, sustain itself, a country which is an ally in the war on terror, and a country which serves as a powerful example for others who desire to be free.

Since we last met, a unity government is now in the process of becoming formed. I've got great hopes about this unity government. We've got a Shia as the Prime Minister-designee, a Sunni as the Speaker, a Kurd as the President, all of whom have dedicated themselves to a country moving forward that meets the hopes and aspirations of the Iraqi people.

There are certainly challenges and the Secretaries here discussed those challenges with us. Perhaps the main challenge is the militia that tend to take the law into their own hands. And it's going to be up to the government to step up and take care of that militia so that the Iraqi people are confident in the security of their country. It's important to have a secure Iraq in order for people to go about their daily lives. And we understand that.

I also assured the Secretaries here that this government is committed to success. They've got good people on the ground, we've got brave troops that are working every day to help this country succeed, and at the same time, deny safe haven to al Qaeda.

And again, I want to thank the members for coming -- the former Secretaries for coming. I think it's very useful for those of us who are helping to plot the strategies and the tactics to help secure this country to hear from you. I'm optimistic about our successes. I know this: The only way we will not succeed is if we lose our nerve, we don't have faith in our values, and that we're constantly changing tactics on the ground to achieve our objectives.

So, thank you for coming.

END 10:34 A.M. EDT

Looks like mild-mannered Tony Snow is becoming Bush's attack dog against the evil distortions of the MSM. Who'd a thunk? If it is true, he has my vote for superhero of the year.

Wow, talk about foot in mouth:

Sen. Bill Morrow disputed the comparison. "If you are a black American, you can't help it, you were born that way," he said. "There is not one scintilla of credible scientific evidence that suggests that homosexuality is biological in origin..... It is behavioral; it is not racial."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12754481/

A bizzaro world keefer would be fun. You know, rational and polite.

But, since the poll was mention, it is all part of Bush’s energy plan. Eventually, his approval rating will hit rock-bottom and strike oil.

Should Qwest customers demand the call detail records be turned over to the NSA? Why should we have a 14 state area where terrorists can run around loose and be undetected?

I guess either liberals can't read or don't know what civil is. (Barney,Keefer) We where asked to keep it civil. If you can't then don't post, please.

Let's hope Monday's press conference goes well because I know of a lot of Republicans that would be less upset about immigration policy than they would be if the Prez caused FOX to dump the next episode of "24." Since I've Tivo'd the whole season, I'm at a loss to figure out how to not miss catching this show, which I think, is episode 23.

random stuff -

1) why r the donks gleeful at Republicans not "approving" W, which accounts 4 his low ratings? the donks never did support him & wouldn't "approve" of the reasons the base wants improved. intellectually dishonest me thinks.

2) why don't GOP'ers support abortion considering the donks are self-extinguishing?

3) why don't the politicos ask the big oil execs if the gulf platforms & refineries are fully repaired after katrina? the execs said the katrina damage accounted for the price run-up from below $2/gal. world demand hasn't increased enough to account for the cost since katrina last year.

more from flyover country later...

Paul, if I called you thin-skinned, would that be uncivil?

The part where I begin to question what is going on, is when our president comes out and says that this or that is constitutionally legal. No one seems to be stepping forward and saying "Excuse me but that's the job of the judiciary." It makes me feel uncomfortable because we as a nation have always valued our checks and balances

What's uncivil about poll numbers? It's not like Keefer or Barney called you guys wing nuts or anything!

Barney, maybe it's Friday, I am a little tired and grumpy. Would you cut me some slack? But then, you also may have been just a little uncivil, and I am over reacting.

Barney,
"A bizzaro world keefer would be fun. You know, rational and polite." is ad Hominem, can't you raise any points without being vindictive?

Well to be fair Bane, not a post of my alter ego doesn't contain an insult, something that could not be said of Barney.

Also, I don't see how mentioning the President's approval is in the 20s is uncivil. I think you need to look up civil. It doesn't mean nice, it means not rude. Referencing a poll is not rude.

Peace and Goodwill to all, especially Liberals.

I guess none of you guys are Superman fans? Bizzaro world Superman was the polar opposite of the Superman we know (good vs. evil). Some one is posing as keefer, but as a liberal keefer.

I am a college student and future social studies/civics teacher. Why is it that at my little sisters school, there are not enough social studies books for each student, but at the same time the school just spent a quarter of a million dollars for new stadium lights? The old lights were fine, but evidently some jackass thought they weren't bright enough. Well, I think it must be the schoolboard that isn't bright enough. Football is fine, and it teaches important lessons to those who play the sport, but what of the majority of students who do not? I don't see how this is ensuring that "No Child is left behind". I am of the strong opinion that Americans on the whole are way, way, way, way, way, way, way more ignorant about social studies than is prudent, and this has allowed certain leaders in our government to use this ignorance as a lever to gain support for actions based upon lies and half-truths. Is this really a part of a greater conspiracy to keep Americans ignorant for generations to come, or is it rather a result of our already existing ignorance reinforcing itself?

I'm still patiently awaiting a response from an earlier post on the nomination of Hayden to the CIA.

A few weeks ago I was called UN-AMERICAN for suggesting that a retired general be nominated to head up the Department of Defense.

Bush nominated an active military general to head up the CIA and you support it and rip on anyone who doesn't support it.

The way I see it, you are nothing but hypocrites. Bush is just as much UN-AMERICAN as I was, if not more. I just suggested it and he followed through with the exact same thing...nominating a military person to a civilian post.

Keep up with your blind support of the President. Good luck holding onto Congress when only non-thinking conservatives like you are going to actually vote Republican. The rest of your past supporters are just going to stay home on election day because they don't want Republicans in Congress any more than liberals do.

Gen. Hayden said today,"Everything that the (NSA) has done has been lawful". This from the Gen. who did not know that the 4th Ammendment to the Constitution, requires "probable cause", to get a warrant. This Gen. is the wrong person to lead the CIA or the NSA. Peace

Interesting question, Eric
You are aware that schools are a State issue and not Federal, right? The good news is that schools are functioning out of local school boards and citizens can get involved. The bad news is the Teacher's Union actively prevents parent involvement in School Board decisions when the issue is money or teaching methods. Not teachers, the teacher's union. You'll learn all about them once you get your credentials.
No Child is left behind is a series of standards, unfunded mandates if you will, that require that K-12 schools employ methods at their discretion to meet the goals. It’s really just hype for Federal jurisdiction over local schools.
I would have more faith in the people and less in the government’s ability to spirit away our collective intelligence; the Feds can’t do much of anything well, what makes you think they can conspire successfully to accomplish the Machiavellian plan you described?
Just be the best teacher you can be, reach as many students as you can, make a difference in a few people’s lives, and assume that everyone is doing the best job they know how to do.

Also ... Oswald acted alone.

"It was reported this week that 2 million newborns die within 24 hours of birth due to poor pre-natal care. How would the pro-lifers solve this problem and save a few million lives? Peace"

Posted by: steve

2,000,000??? Reported where? And where does this occur?
Certainly not in the USA.

This is another wildly inflated and meaningless statistic.

Actual 2006 stats:

Population: 298 Million
Birth rate: 14.14 per 1000 population
Infant mortality rate: 6.43 per 1000 live births

Do the math moron.

"I am of the strong opinion that Americans on the whole are way, way, way, way, way, way, way more ignorant about social studies than is prudent, and this has allowed certain leaders in our government to use this ignorance as a lever to gain support for actions based upon lies and half-truths. Is this really a part of a greater conspiracy to keep Americans ignorant for generations to come, or is it rather a result of our already existing ignorance reinforcing itself?"

Posted by: Eric

Eric since the school systems are controlled by the teachers unions, and the teachers unions operate in solidarity with the democrat party, and since both have blocked any suggestions, such as vouchers, to change the system, who do you think is responsible for the deficient public education system?

Let's bring him back:

"In a new poll comparing President Bush's job performance with that of his predecessor, a strong majority of respondents said President Clinton outperformed Bush on a host of issues.

The poll of 1,021 adult Americans was conducted May 5-7 by Opinion Research Corp. for CNN. It had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Respondents favored Clinton by greater than 2-to-1 margins when asked who did a better job at handling the economy (63 percent Clinton, 26 percent Bush) and solving the problems of ordinary Americans (62 percent Clinton, 25 percent Bush)."

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/05/12/bush.clinton.poll/index.html

Maybe you should do a story about how Bush has fallen to 29% approval.

What the news doesn't mention about that poll is that Clinton, Kerry and Gore all have lower poll ratings than Bush. But then they wouldn't mention that would they?

lol

"By JAY REEVES
Associated Press Writer

May 12, 2006, 3:56 PM EDT

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- A Democratic candidate for Alabama attorney general denies the Holocaust occurred and said Friday he will speak this weekend in New Jersey to a "pro-white" organization that is widely viewed as being racist.

Larry Darby concedes his views are radical, but he said they should help him win wide support among Alabama voters as he tries to "reawaken white racial awareness" with his campaign against Mobile County District Attorney John Tyson."

And where is the outrage from the left??? Why hasn't this nut job been kicked out of the party???

Its just more hypocrisy from the left.

2,000,000??? Reported where? And where does this occur?
Certainly not in the USA. Do the math moron.

Is it possible he meant world wide and not just in America, phnx? If so you might have a little egg on your face. (Pun intended)

Famous Liberals

1. Aristotle - "Of all the varieties of virtues, liberalism is the most beloved."

2. Leo Tolstoy

3. Noam Chomsky

4. Walter Cronkite

5. Lenny Bruce

6. John Adams

7. George Washington

8. Thomas Jefferson

9. Ben Franklin

10. Jesus

From Roget's Thesaurus

Liberal- "openhanded, broadminded, scholastic."

Conservative- "hidebound, old-line, protective, defensive."

From Websters Collegiate Dictionary

Liberal- "befitting a man of FREE BIRTH, a political party based on promoting the ideals of individual and economic freedom, greater individual participation in Government and Constitutional, political and administrative reforms designed to secure these objectives.

Conservative- "tending or disposed to maintaining existing views, conditions, or institutions"

Civil? You pour gasoline on the fire everyday. You twist, manipulate, degrade, condone and perpetuate lies, greed, and heartless negativity.

And yet, I wish you nothing but peace.

Maroons.

Ash,

That's why I asked, or didn't you understand the post?

BTW Infant mortality in the US is defined as those babies that die within the first YEAR after birth.

And while we are at it, there are well over 12 million pregnancies per year in the USA. The actual number of pregnancies may be 3-5 million higher. However, we cannot obtain exact figures, primarily because of early abortions resulting from use of "the pill," Norplant, Depo-Provera, the IUD, and other ortifacient "contraceptives." But it is safe to say that over 12 million pregnancies occur per year in the USA. Three million of these pregnancies result in normal birth. One and one-half million are surgically aborted. This means that at least 7½ million babies are chemically aborted annually in the USA, depending on how many pregnancies and miscarriages there actually are. Thus, three out of four (or possibly four out of five) babies are killed by their at least one of their parents through abortion each year in the USA alone. In the over twenty years of legalized abortion in the USA, there are at least 200 million babies who have been killed by abortion.

Only a real sicko can find humor in these tragic statistics. Are you, steve and other pro-abortionist proud of youselves?

Here is the pattern that I see: the President's mishandling of and selective use of the best evidence available on the threat posed by Iraq is pretty much the same as the way he intentionally distorted the best available evidence on climate change, and rejected the best available evidence on the threat posed to America's economy by his tax and budget proposals.

In each case, the President seems to have been pursuing policies chosen in advance of the facts -- policies designed to benefit friends and supporters -- and has used tactics that deprived the American people of any opportunity to effectively subject his arguments to the kind of informed scrutiny that is essential in our system of checks and balances.

The administration has developed a highly effective propaganda machine to imbed in the public mind mythologies that grow out of the one central doctrine that all of the special interests agree on, which -- in its purest form -- is that government is very bad and should be done away with as much as possible -- except the parts of it that redirect money through big contracts to industries that have won their way into the inner circle.

For the same reasons they push the impression that government is bad, they also promote the myth that there really is no such thing as the public interest. What's important to them is private interests. And what they really mean is that those who have a lot of wealth should be left alone, rather than be called upon to reinvest in society through taxes.

Perhaps the biggest false impression of all lies in the hidden social objectives of this Administration that are advertised with the phrase "compassionate conservatism" -- which they claim is a new departure with substantive meaning. But in reality, to be compassionate is meaningless, if compassion is limited to the mere awareness of the suffering of others. The test of compassion is action. What the administration offers with one hand is the rhetoric of compassion; what it takes away with the other hand are the financial resources necessary to make compassion something more than an empty and fading impression.

Maybe one reason that false impressions have a played a bigger role than they should is that both Congress and the news media have been less vigilant and exacting than they should have been in the way they have tried to hold the Administration accountable.

Whenever both houses of Congress are controlled by the President's party, there is a danger of passivity and a temptation for the legislative branch to abdicate its constitutional role. If the party in question is unusually fierce in demanding ideological uniformity and obedience, then this problem can become even worse and prevent the Congress from properly exercising oversight. Under these circumstances, the majority party in the Congress has a special obligation to the people to permit full Congressional inquiry and oversight rather than to constantly frustrate and prevent it.

[...]

The administration hastened from the beginning to persuade us that defending America against terror cannot be done without seriously abridging the protections of the Constitution for American citizens, up to and including an asserted right to place them in a form of limbo totally beyond the authority of our courts. And that view is both wrong and fundamentally un-American.

But the most urgent need for new oversight of the Executive Branch and the restoration of checks and balances is in the realm of our security, where the Administration is asking that we accept a whole cluster of new myths:

For example, the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty was an effort to strike a bargain between states possessing nuclear weapons and all others who had pledged to refrain from developing them. This administration has rejected it and now, incredibly, wants to embark on a new program to build a brand new generation of smaller (and it hopes, more usable) nuclear bombs. In my opinion, this would be true madness -- and the point of no return to the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty -- even as we and our allies are trying to prevent a nuclear testing breakout by North Korea and Iran.

Similarly, the Kyoto treaty is an historic effort to strike a grand bargain between free-market capitalism and the protection of the global environment, now gravely threatened by rapidly accelerating warming of the Earth's atmosphere and the consequent disruption of climate patterns that have persisted throughout the entire history of civilization as we know it. This administration has tried to protect the oil and coal industries from any restrictions at all -- though Kyoto may become legally effective for global relations even without U.S. participation.

Ironically, the principal cause of global warming is our civilization's addiction to burning massive quantities carbon-based fuels, including principally oil -- the most important source of which is the Persian Gulf, where our soldiers have been sent for the second war in a dozen years -- at least partly to ensure our continued access to oil.

We need to face the fact that our dangerous and unsustainable consumption of oil from a highly unstable part of the world is similar in its consequences to all other addictions. As it becomes worse, the consequences get more severe and you have to pay the dealer more.

And by now, it is obvious to most Americans that we have had one too many wars in the Persian Gulf and that we need an urgent effort to develop environmentally sustainable substitutes for fossil fuels and a truly international effort to stabilize the Persian Gulf and rebuild Iraq

The was written by the next President of the United States. Even if we have to draft him...

Why is it not surprising that raker lists Naom Chomsky at the top of the list of living liberals most beloved?

This is the same man who has been waging a Jihad against the United States and Israel for years. As recently as this month Chomsky was with the leaders of Hezbollah, that noted terrorist organization, pledging his unwavering support for them and all they stand for, while at the same time condemning the US and Israel as terrorist states.

Thank you raker for clarifying the position of liberals and leftists such as yourself, although it was no real surprise to any conservatives on this site.

raker,

Please refrain from anymore Gorebasms. They only serve to diminsh whatever scintilla of credibility you still have.

Raker- Have you read "The Price of Loyalty"? It describes Paul O' Neill's two-year experience in the Bush White House as Bush's first Secretary of the Treasury. Its eerie, but it describes the kind of government that you have written about in your post---predetermined policies that benefit his supporters, independent of the best information available.

O'Neill was a conservative, but expected a lot of give and take and honest debate on the way to a fiscally sound economic policy. He found himself continuously marginalized when he didn't tote the administration's water. He was outspoken and independent, and found that Bush's inner circle determined policy: Rove, Card, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice. At Cabinet meetings he described his own shock as one of the inner circle members delivered the agenda , as though reading from a script. There was no spontaneity, no give and take, and Bush himself was disengaged much of the time.

There was a large surplus in the budget when Clinton left office, and O'Neill thought it could be used to fix Social Security. Well, we all know what became of it. The only economic policy Bush and Co were interested in was tax cuts. When O'Neill went to Africa with Bono, and wanted to use aid money to drill wells, he was shut out by the White House, and forced to resign, as they "decided to go in a new direction".

Yes, those are definitions of liberal....when you find someone in the Democratic party that isn't a complete hypocrite and actually follows that definition, let me know.

Nice poll Maf....the NY Times reported today that Bush is at 30%, Al Gore at 28% and John Kerry at 26%.

Even today Bush still beats those two. Hilarious.

dl says:

Should Qwest customers demand the call detail records be turned over to the NSA? Why should we have a 14 state area where terrorists can run around loose and be undetected?

Thanks for the idea man. I'm thinking about filing a class action suit. As a Qwest customer I feel left out and unpatriotic since no one knows the extent of my phone calls.

Even today Bush still beats those two. Hilarious.
-Warrior

Uhh yea, nice boast... His approval ratings are at 29%, yes, that IS hilarious that he is beating Al Gore... hilarious indeed.

Keefer

Apparently you miss the point. Even today your last two Democratic nominees still lose to a guy that was barely elected and isn't really a conservative.

What happens when the GOP puts up someone that is MUCH stronger in 2008.

:)

semby, you should watch Albright's interiew on the Daily Show. It was quite interesting... (www.comedycentral.com).

and who might that be?

Warmongernation,

Still waiting for that NYT link. Thanks in advance ...

Everyone, the 12:37 post was by a spoofer; in fact, any posts prior to this one, anywhere in B4B today, with my name on them, are spoof posts. I worked today, and took a nap when I got home. This is my first post; the spoofer has a capital "K" in his screenname.

Anyway, tomorrow's the big five-oh for me; I'm going out tonite to celebrate my birthday. I'll let you all know tomorrow if my birthday wish comes true or not. Ciao!

Duane writes:

"I had an open thread once and so I pulled it and pulled it and finally my whole sweater unravelled. That really sucked."

lol, Duane, but if your name had been Dianne, it wouldn't have sucked at all...

Warriornation,

I hope you're not being fooled by whoever's spoofing me. Just look for the capital "K;" that'll be the fake "keefer." Mark, Matt, or anyone else who runs B4B can confirm IPA's, and prove who's who.

You'll never catch the real keefer backing any liberal democRAT; I hates 'em all...

I guess I should've read the entire thread before I defended myself against, as Barney calls him, "Bizarro Keefer." lol, Barney, and thanks, I guess, for recognizing a fraud. I have an idea who the fake is, and I'm going to get his phone number from General Hayden, and his IPA from his ISP. Watch out, Bizarro Keefer; big brother is after yo' ass...

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, keefer.

Can I get in on Saturday? Out of town for a few days, missed the open thread but need to put a question out there, hoping for both conservative and liberal input.

Sat up all night long the other night with an uber-liberal brother who spouts all the Ranty Rhodes BS--- a True Believer.

He informed me that the Dems only threatened to filubuster Alito to put pressure on the Republicans to issue the report on Phase 2 of the 9/11 Commission, and the R's agreed to do so, thereby heading off the filibuster---typical of those wascally weputlicans.

Now, I try to keep up, yet somehow I missed this. I read the complaints about Alito, and the threats of a filibuster. I read about Harry Reid calling for a closed session of congress to talk about BUSH LIED!!!!!!. But I don't remember a connection between the two.

Maybe it's the thin air up at this altitude, but I just have no idea what he's talking about. Is this just one more of Ranty stringing together unrelated occurrences to create yet a new conspiracy? Did it happen and I missed it? ?????

I can usually hit the Net for info and refute my bro's regurgitation of loony lib BS, such as "Fake---but Accurate"---but my searches haven't turned up anything. You guys know anything about it?

keefer---feeling OK today, after the big celebration? Happy Birthday, just a little late....

Thanks, Spook; thanks Almiranta. Just got home from Don Pablo's; my belly's full of Mexican food and Margaritas--three jumbos. Actually, my b'day is tomorrow, but I don't like celebrating on Sunday nights. Monday is a work day, and being that I'm an "old fart," I can't function the day after as well as I could when I was younger.

Hey Spook, did ya hear the guy who called Rush yesterday, talking about monitoring phone calls while he was in the military? He retired from the military about ten years ago, when I did, and his knowledge was very thorough. I could identify with a lot of what he said, and he was perilously close to saying too much, if you get my drift. I've always wanted to call in and set some things straight, but I've been afraid that I may say something that I shouldn't.

Anyway, here's the example the caller used: If he were legally monitoring foreign communications, and happened across a phone conversation between Rush and Snurdley, who were discussing robbing a bank, he could not report the phone call, as it was an illegal intercept. And folks, this is true. We can't listen in on U.S. persons without probable cause and a warrant. Those of us who served in the intelligence community were constantly briefed and trained to avoid intercepting the wrong communications. And no president could just wave a magic wand and make us do so. Such is the case today, regarless of what the kooks in congress, and the DBM tell you. Cold hard facts, folks...

>>>>> BREAKING NEWS

KARL ROVE TO BE INDICTED FOR PERJURY AND OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE.

NOW THAT THE TRUTH IS COMING OUT, WHAT DO THE BUSH SUPPORTERS HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS TURN OF EVENTS?

Maf53

Thursday NY Times....but it's also captured here from another story that sources it....the title of the article is below along with author and date. As I've told you now three times, you can also go directly to the NY Times to find that article...I'm not going to do the work for you...the quote specific, however, is below for you from Pollaganda".

"Pollaganda: Media polls as instruments of propaganda"

By Mark M. Alexander

May 12, 2006

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"To be fair, the last paragraph of this 1,480 word Bush-bashing diatribe includes this tidbit: "Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts, who was Mr. Bush's opponent in 2004, had a lower approval rating than Mr. Bush: 26 percent, down from 40 percent in a poll conducted right after the election. And just 28 percent said they had a favorable view of Al Gore, one of Mr. Bush's more vocal critics." In other words, with all the favorable mainstream media coverage Kerry and Gore get, Bush still comes out on top. Perhaps The NY Times should have headlined this article, "Bush more popular than Kerry or Gore."

Keefer....I knew something was strange, glad it wasn't you. Amazing that someone from the left would impersonate someone else. I know I'm shocked.

Cookiecorp...that "breaking news" seems to be going all around on the liberal blogs yet nothing has been reported legitimately? Is this another CBS cooked up documents, liberal crazy wish story?