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May 02, 2006
One Million Demonstrators?

The MSM is playing it up as a big success, but if only 1 million people nationwide participated, then I'll have to call that a fizzle.

If there are 12 million illegals and 100% of the demonstrators were illegal, then that works out to 8% participation...but, of course, all of the demonstrators weren't illegal. I think we're talking, after all is said and done, about 5% participation on the population most affected - illegal immigrants.

That is a pretty pathetic showing. Its a lot of noise and the MSM will play it to the hilt, but the plain fact of the matter is that only a tiny fraction of voters participated, and I'll bet that for every voter in favor of some sort of amnesty before the demonstrations, there were two converted away from any such concept by the demonstrations.

As it is, my wife turned out to be a very large supporter of the boycott - because there were that fewer cars of illegals and their supporters on the road at 8am, she got to work in good time...and I've heard many such stories. Essentially, all the illegals and their supporters did was annoy the citizenry on one hand, and show how badly they are in the way on the other.


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It's pretty sad that they actually come out and say "We demand rights for illegal aliens". Funny, if there were a million man march for wanted child molesters, no one would say a word. Unfortunately, racism and bigotry is center stage for liberals playing the race card. Viva la mexico? Funny how the whole idea is that you're willing to commit a crime just so you don't have to be tossed back into Mexico. Viva la US welfare check!

Posted by: Jonathan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 01:34 AM

People need to take note in their individual communities of what businesses pandered to or supported these illegal trespassers. In response, they should put out the word to everyone they know to boycott those businesses. Not just for one day, but for an extended period of time. Not only should they boycott those businesses, they should make a point out of contacting those businesses and let them know WHY they are being boycotted.

Tyson foods is one example.
Cargill is another.

Boycott all Mexican restaurants. Contact your bank, or other companies with whom you have contact, and DEMAND that they remove the "option" to "press 1 for English." Take your business elsewhere!

America is still worth fighting for. Otherwise, how can you explain why these millions of people are swarming here as fast as they can?

We also should commence a campaign to protest at every official Mexican consulate about how crappy their political and economic systems are. It's not only a magnet that's drawing people TO our country, it's also a magnet that's pushing people AWAY from their homelands...

And continue to contact your representatives, no matter how they stand on the issue. Be firm, be insistent. Be adamant. Tell them that you'll vote against them if they succumb to the illegal trespassers and grant a guest worker program in any way, shape, or form. Demand that they go on the record about how they feel about Amnesty.

There are also a number or online advocacy groups, such as NumbersUSA, that offer assistance in helping to fax your representatives in Congress about current and upcoming issues surrounding the immigration issue.

http://www.numbersusa.com/

Rep. Steve King (from Iowa) has sponsored H.R. 3095 the "New IDEA" bill. It seeks to withdraw the credit for employers who pay illegals from their tax forms. This is a good first step...

We need to take our country back!!

The illegals understand that there is everything to gain for them, and nothing to lose. For the rest of us, it's our country to lose if they have their way.

Demand that our government enforce existing laws so that the illegals go back to where they came from. Attrition will work its magic far better than any attemps by ICE to track down and/or deport these lawbreakers. The trespassers have no rights just because they came here illegally.

Posted by: dbogdan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 01:47 AM

We need to take our country back!!

So, dbog is a Native American?

Thanks in advance for the snack.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:19 AM

Come back sometime in the future, when you've grown into adulthood and joined the rest of the world, outside of your delusional, self-absorbed, parallel universe. In the meantime, go away and let the big boys play. You're not up to the task, based upon what I've seen in your blithering posts...

Posted by: dbogdan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:34 AM

Jonathon,

Please don't make this into a liberal-conservative issue. I think this is something we are all pretty close to agreement on. We may have different reasons for our position, but essentially we all feel that illegal immigration must be stopped.

I don't go so far as some that feel we should put Billy Crystal in charge of a City Slicker type of roundup. I favor penalizing those employers that use illegals, well illegally. For once the jobs dry up, they will stop risking the penalties of crossing the border.

What Mexicans are doing is illegal, but I find it hard to put much blame on them. If I had mouths to feed I would do exactly what they are doing.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:38 AM

Thanks for the snack, dbog, and wow a new word!

blithering, to blath, idle chatter. You rock gramps.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:41 AM

Come back sometime in the future, when you've grown into adulthood and joined the rest of the world, outside of your delusional, self-absorbed, parallel universe. In the meantime, go away and let the big boys play. You're not up to the task, based upon what I've seen in your blithering posts...

Posted by: dbogdan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:48 AM

Boycott all Mexican restaurants.

Of all the "grown up" things you as a "big boy" have said this ranks up there with the meanest spirited yet. Why should I boycott a Mexican Restaraunt if the owners are here legally, and follow good business practices? Using your logic, then we must boycott Italian Restaraunts, and Chinese, oh no I will never give up Chinese. What's that leave us? Those fine citizens at McDonalds or the snack bar at Walmart?

Get a grip man. Not all Mexicans are illegal and not all old people are wise.

Thanks in advance for the (bedtime) snack.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:53 AM

Ash,

Come back sometime in the future, when you've grown into adulthood and joined the rest of the world, outside of your delusional, self-absorbed, parallel universe. In the meantime, go away and let the big boys play. You're not up to the task, based upon what I've seen in your blithering posts...

Posted by: dbogdan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:59 AM

Ash,

Well, I'm going to state that I resent the fact that on the left I'm not supposed to be a Native American...on my father's side of the family we go back to before 1850 in this country, while on my paternal grandmother's side of the family, we go back perhaps has far as the late 17th century...just how long does my blood line have to be here before it is considered indigenous?

I'm native - this is my land, my country: I know no other, and I really don't give a tupenny damn about Ireland or any of the other Old World cracker-barrels my ancesters came out of. On the census form, I put down my ethnicity as "American", because that is what I am...and a wonderful thing it is, because it means that I am at one with all those other people - of all different ethnic backgrounds and creeds - who also simply call themselves "American".

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 03:13 AM

Please don't make this a liberal-conservative issue Ash? That's all the GOP does. That's all they know how to do. They have to have an enemy so they can play the victim. The control congress, yet everything is Democrats' fault. Go figure. No wonder they've got the victim-playing fundies on their side.

Posted by: GOPisDying [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 05:08 AM

From NewsMax.com
Monday, May 1, 2006 9:06 p.m. EDT
Dobbs: Radicals Running Immigrant Movement

A leftist anti-war group has seized control of the immigrant movement that staged mass protests across the U.S. on Monday, says CNN's Lou Dobbs.

Praising the Washington Post for being the only newspaper that has reported that the radical leftist group ANSWER (Act Now to Stop War and End Racism) was an active promoter of Monday's national boycott, Dobbs noted that the movement chose May 1, the traditional International Worker's day sanctified by the Soviet Union and Marxist movements throughout the year to stage their protest.

Speaking on his CNN show Monday, Dobbs said that "Some illegal immigration and open borders activists in the Hispanic community are deeply concerned about the involvement of the left-wing radical group [ANSWER]. But others, like Juan Jose Gutierrez, whom I've interviewed a number of times over the past several months, manages to be both director of Latino Movement USA and a representative of ANSWER.

"As Gutierrez told us on my show, 'The time has come ... where we need to stand up and make a statement. We need to do what the American people did when they pulled away from the British crown. And I am sure that back in those days many people were concerned that was radical action.'

"Just how significant is the impact of leftists within the illegal immigration movement?" Dobbs asked, explaining that "It is no accident that they chose May 1 as their day of demonstration and boycott. It is the worldwide day of commemorative demonstrations by various socialist, communist and even anarchic organizations."


Radicalism, Dobbs continued "is not confined to Gutierrez and Latino Movement USA, explaining that Ernesto Nevarez of the L.A. Port Collective is promising to shut down the Port of Los Angeles today: '[Transportation and commerce] will come to a grinding halt. ...They are going to put a wall along the border with Mexico. We're going to put a wall between us and the ocean. And those containers ain't going to move.'"

Dobbs is not alone in citing ANSWER's involvement in today's protest. On their web site, the Los Angeles ANSWER group spelled out their backing, proclaiming "On May 1, stand up for immigrant rights. Join immigrants and supporters to make May 1 a national 'day without an immigrant.' We will settle for nothing less than full amnesty and legalization for the millions of undocumented workers presently in the United States. Let’s show the government, corporations and politicians that a powerful, united peoples’ movement has the power to win Civil Rights, workers’ rights and make history. No Work! No School! No Business as usual!

"The ANSWER Coalition, along with other pro-immigrant organizations, has been working hard to build May 1 and the overall immigrant right struggle. We've passed out over 150,000 flyers for May 1, gathered thousands of petition signatures demanding amnesty for all immigrants and held public street meetings all over Los Angeles to promote the movement. Join the struggle for full equality and justice today!"

Said Dobbs: "No matter which flag demonstrators and protesters carry today, their leadership is showing its true colors to all who will see."

Posted by: semby at May 2, 2006 07:27 AM

Today the U.S sould be raiding Tyson Foods Inc. and any other place that closed.I will not buy there products. A 10,000 fine per illegal first time 25,000 per 2nd ect. If they have no place to work they will go home and come back legal.

Posted by: edward at May 2, 2006 08:31 AM

Well, it has to be a liberal-conservative issue.

Consider this, the only reason illegal aliens (immigrants being a word used for documented foreigns) come here is to get work and to collect goverment benefits were possible. They do this because more and more because they know that the far-left have turned crime into something of a "mental condition" instead of a willful choice, and have turned social welfare from something to provide for our own needy into a free-handout for the lazy who usually don't deserve it.

Therefore, they know they can't get in trouble for it because their predecessors are being sheltered by organizations like LULAC and the ACLU, who turn around and "help" them with my tax dollars. They have turned the issue into a racist one instead of one of national security and crime & punishment, which the MSM enjoys distorting.

There are thousands on waiting lists trying to become legal citizens of our great country; the people here illegally have no special privledge and are no better than those playing by the rules. We are not diminishing civil rights or being racist by trying to secure our borders.

I am a Hispanic, and these people don't speak for me. I have trouble viewing these people as my fellow countrymen as they so desire to be called when they try to replace patriotism and the American "red, white, and blue" with regalia from a foriegn country, or when they boycott the vary nation they want admittance to with the intention of trying to hurt the economy I depend on for work and an education, no matter how fickle it ended up being.

Posted by: jdhenshall [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 08:49 AM

The leftist media is reporting numbers that are far to high and the effect was negligible. The people of this country will not give in to mob rule and that gaggle of criminals can march until thier feet fall off but it will make no differnce. Deport the illegals and seal our bordars . . . now.

Posted by: rplat [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 09:08 AM

Illegal aliens are remitting over $40 BILLION per year, to countries outside our borders. This is money that would otherwise go to stimulate OUR economy, and its begin drained away.

Write your congressmen and Seantors to support Tom Tancredo's proposal of a 5% tax on remittances. (Personally I think is should be a lot higher).

A recent study in LA county showed that illegals were paying $100 million in taxes. Sounds good until you read that they were consuming $1.1 billion in public services (education, healthcare etc), leaving the taxpayers to pickup the $1 Billion dollar difference. (That's just one county)

We currently allow 1,000,000 LEGAL immigrants into the country. This is more than ALL OTHER countires in the world COMBINED. This group is much more likely to utilize free government social services. Throw on top of that 750,000 to 1,000,000 illegals that arrive every year and it is no wonder that our healthcare system is in a shambles, and our taxes are rising to pay the tab. The 12,000,000 illegals are also consumers of energy, ie gasoline. If they were to leave there would be a glut which would drive prices down.

And to add insult to injury, they are DEMANDING their rights? What's wrong with this picture??

Posted by: phnxbmed at May 2, 2006 09:27 AM

Memorandum,

from: John Ross
to: Sequoyah
re: immigration

I write to you today with the hope that we may come together in the preservation of our culture, our tradition, and our future well-being.

As you are aware, we have recently been plauged with the white people. They are destroying the woodlands to build their homes. They have brought diseases previously unknown to us, which are ravaging our people. They are not self-sufficient, as they depend on us for food, and are ungrateful when we provide.

They pollute, and have no respect for nature, or for our law. They do not respect our sovereignty, even though they pretend to when they enter into treaties with us.

They commpletely ignore the fact that the US Supreme Court, Justice John Marshall, has rejected the arguments made by President Andrew Jackson, and the State of Georgia, ruling all of the laws dealing with our nation as unconstitutional, in both Worcester v. State of Georgia (1832), and Cherokee Nation v. State of Georgia (1831).

These newcomers are certainly evil, and must be dealt with before they get any more of a foothold in our land. I predict if we do not act now, they will continue to come, until the land is full of the white people, and our people will be rounded up and herded like cattle. Our culuture will be destroyed forever if we do not act.

go in peace.

Chief John Ross
Cherokee Nation
1833


. . .

Boy am I glad my ancestors were "totally legal" with their immigration to Georgia. *sarcasm*

Posted by: dav [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 09:29 AM

"Well, I'm going to state that I resent the fact that on the left I'm not supposed to be a Native American"

Duly noted, Mark. I'm happy your wife had an easier drive to work. That should make the Mexicanos on the border that go through dumpsters for food happy as well.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 09:48 AM

"...As it is, my wife turned out to be a very large supporter of the boycott - because there were that fewer cars of illegals and their supporters on the road at 8am, she got to work in good time..."
this is the kind of big picture republican/psuedo-conservative thinking that has led to the wonderful downward spiral this country is on. keep up the stellar critical analysis.

Posted by: jay at May 2, 2006 10:35 AM

For some reason on Blogs for Bush I figured you'd be supporting the protests. Isn't Bush the one backing the amnesty program?

When you Republicans start infighting, it's truly bewildering, but fun.

Posted by: Maimonides [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 10:37 AM

Miamondes,

Bush made a huge mistake siding with big business over American citizens.

Oh no...wait a minute.
My mistake. He knows who he works for (and who pays him) and its not American citizens.

Carry on.

Posted by: Robert at May 2, 2006 11:47 AM

Ash,

Mexicans go through dumpsters at the border? Since when?

Posted by: Mark Noonan [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 12:32 PM

All I know is my Los Angeles commute yesterday took more than 1/2 the time it normally takes. There was a story on the news today that people were making their normaly 1 hour commute in 15 minutes yesterday.

If that isn't an eye opener enough for people, I don't know what is. Imagine the gasoline we would save by not idling our cars in traffic....maybe we can get some of you environmental lefty pink whackos on board with this issue to stop illegal immigration to save the environment.

LOL

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:14 PM

Well your xenophobia is showing, Mark.

There is (by defintion) at least two sides to a border. I speak of the Mexican side. There is an entire culture built around landfills and dumpster diving. It is a very violent society with deaths occuring over minor items. Children are used because they can negotiate small crawl spaces.

Don't believe me? Read "By the Lake of Sleeping Children" by Luis Urrea It will open your eyes.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 02:48 PM

Urrea by the way has written several books about Mexican culture. He is an excellent writer. He has dual citizenship- Mexico and United States.

I still am for stemming the flow of illegal entry into this country, but I understand why the do it. And with understanding comes compassion.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 03:07 PM

Whither "Compassionate Conservatism"?

Y'know, just wondering.

Posted by: GodOfBiscuits [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 05:15 PM

Sorry, that should have said took less than 1/2 the normal time for my commute.

It was great. This morning it sucked.

Save the environment, stop illegal immigration!!!!

Save the environment, stop illegal immigration!!!!

Save the environment, stop illegal immigration!!!!

Save the environment, stop illegal immigration!!!!

Save the environment, stop illegal immigration!!!!

Save the environment, stop illegal immigration!!!!

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 06:45 PM

Ash

Since we are recommending books. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand.

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 06:47 PM

"Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand."

Read it, warboy. John Galt, your hero? Also read the Fountainhead and read at the Virtue of Selfishness. Of coarse I loathe her philosopy. Did you know she was a Ruskie?

I would reread them but choose to read this blog, a living, breathing example of what is wrong with Ayn Rand.

My reading suggestion came as a response to a question Mark had. Where did yours come from?

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 07:40 PM

Yes, I did know she was a Ruskie...does that matter? Are you against other people in the world? Are you against her because she is a woman? LOL

I think her philosophy is absolutely brilliant.

My reading suggestion came as enlightenment for you. The fact that you claim to have read her greatest works and continue to read others means you must find something of interest or agreement, or perhaps you are just a glutton for punishment.

Either way, Ayn Rand was a brilliant thinker and it doesn't surprise me that you lean to Marx...did you know he's German...rather than to Rand.

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 2, 2006 09:26 PM

Her philosophy falls apart because of its fundamental contradiction.

I'm surprised you don't see it, Warriornation.

Wait, no I'm not.

Posted by: GodOfBiscuits [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 3, 2006 01:08 AM

Of course I lean away from Ayn Rand and towards Karl Marx. He too was a brilliant thinker.

I read her because I try to consider all points of view. Don't you? I recomment Das Kapital as well as the Communist Manifesto.

Oh and The Holy Koran.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 3, 2006 01:14 AM

I minored in East Asian Studies at Marquette and took both Islam and Hinduism as college courses. So yes, I have read the Koran among other things.

You believe in Marx...a failed premise proven over and over again. I believe in Rand's words....I've yet to find where she is wrong but I'm sure you and Dog biscuits will point it out to me.

Posted by: Warriornation at May 3, 2006 01:55 AM

Well warrior maybe there is some middle ground between Marx and Rand. We are witnessing the self destruction of rampant capitalism, where there is a free market, but no fair market.

Wasn't the fall of the Roman Empire at least partly a result of greedy capitalism and overextension of empire? The latter I know to be true, and so rings a bell today, no?

I just find selfishness to be a perverted philosophy.

Posted by: Ash [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 3, 2006 01:49 PM

I'm sorry Ash, but I need a little more help seeing this "self destruction of rampant capitalism" that you are discussing.

I guess I don't see it. Can you point out some examples.

Posted by: Warriornation [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 3, 2006 07:05 PM

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