The Left would vote, For the wind farm. This is just a bunch of immoral wealthy capitalists thinking only of themselves and not about the "group". This is a class problem, a wealth problem, not a Left/Right problem. Peace

yeah thanks to Clinton and his letting oil companies merge, we also now have $3 a gallon of gas.

Even Schumer was talking about it last night.

NIMBY is BS whether left, right, or a staggering
taxachusetts senator.

More on Kennedy. Bus YOUR children to school while his go to private school. Yes to death taxes, all of his money is inherited and will remain for his heirs! It is only our money that should go to death tax! What a buffoon. Only those who vote for him are worse.

Clinton gets a free ride here. Merging has nothing to do with the problem..9cents per gallon profit on gas, 42 cents per gallon in taxes.

Since when is Ted Kennedy a capitalist?
A capitalist would have earned his money.
Whirled peas!

I don't claim to be left, right, or center since anyone who does is saying they let others do their thinking for them. I cut through all the crap all sides throw up to block out what the facts really are.

Kennedy,Bush, whatever they all are cut from the same cloth. They care more about what they can get for themselves and then what they can give to their cronies. None of them give a damn about any of us just face it!!

On gas prices going up.....1) forget the wind farm because that isn't going to be more than a flea bite on the ass of an elephant and is probably put out there to refocus attention away from what is important. Unfortunately, it will probably work since a large majority of Americans are not capable of independent thought and normally march behind the banner of whatever party they identify themselves with. 2) Let's face it we voted in the "oil ticket" just what were we thinking huh? Who knows, maybe it may turn out to be a good thing. I like pulling up to the pump in my fuel efficient car and watching those suckers in their SUVs still filling up as I pull out of the station. The only thing that irritates me is they are the ones who are needlessly sucking up the gas and raising the prices for us all. Why don't people THINK and say maybe the fault lies with those people and not so much with the oil companies.

Funny how you fail to note that, as the exact same article you link to says, your boy Mitt Romney also opposes that wind farm, which would make him just as wrong as Kennedy, no? I guess he's emblemic of the "bloated, corrupt right," then. Hoisted on your own petard, eh Marky?

I think opposing the wind farm is silly for either side, but I also note that both sides are doing it--something that continually eludes you, Noonan because of your slavish devotion to all things Republican. I also note another classic Noonanism here: You have no proof that Kennedy opposes this because it "spoils his view." That's just what your preconceived notion of his reason is, and so you assert it as fact with zero proof except that, well, it's what you really want to believe, and build your personal attack on Kennedy around it. Kinda puts to bed your lie that you want civility in political discourse.

Speaking of hypocrites, this is classic

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Ladies and gentlemen, start your engines.

Gas prices have gone above $3 a gallon again, and that means it's time for another round of congressional finger-pointing.

"Since George Bush and Dick Cheney took over as president and vice president, gas prices have doubled!" charged Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.), standing at an Exxon station on Capitol Hill where regular unleaded hit $3.10. "They are too cozy with the oil industry."

She then hopped in a waiting Chrysler LHS (18 mpg) -- even though her Senate office was only a block away.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) used a Hyundai Elantra to take the one-block journey to and from the gas-station news conference. He posed in front of the fuel prices and gave them a thumbs-down. "Get tough on big oil!" he demanded of the Bush administration.

By comparison, Sen. Maria Cantwell (D-Wash.) was a model of conservation. She told a staffer idling in a Jetta to leave without her, then ducked into a sushi restaurant for lunch before making the journey back to work.

At about the same time, House Republicans were meeting in the Capitol for their weekly caucus (Topic A: gas). The House driveway was jammed with cars, many idling, including eight Chevrolet Suburbans (14 mpg).

America may be addicted to oil, as President Bush puts it. But America is in the denial phase of this addiction -- as evidenced by the behavior of its lawmakers. They have proposed all kinds of solutions to high gas prices: taxes on oil companies, domestic oil drilling and releasing petroleum reserves. But they ignore the obvious: that Americans drive too much in too-big cars.

Senators were debating a war spending bill yesterday, but the subject invariably turned to gas prices. Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) engaged his deputy, Dick Durbin (Ill.), in a riveting colloquy. "Is the senator aware that the L.A. Times headline reads today, 'Bush's Proposals Viewed as a Drop in the Bucket'?"

"I'm aware of that," Durbin replied.

Sen. Pete Domenici (R-N.M.) responded with an economics lesson. "Oil is worth what people pay for it," he argued.

Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) sounded the alarms. "We are one accident or one terrorist attack away from oil at $100 a barrel!"

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-Alaska) made a plea for conservation. "We have to move quickly to increase our fuel efficiency," she urged.

But not too quickly. After lunchtime votes, senators emerged from the Capitol for the drive across the street to their offices.

Sen. John Sununu (R-N.H.) hopped in a GMC Yukon (14 mpg). Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) climbed aboard a Nissan Pathfinder (15). Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) stepped into an eight-cylinder Ford Explorer (14). Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) disappeared into a Lincoln Town Car (17). Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.) met up with an idling Chrysler minivan (18).

Next came Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), greeted by a Ford Explorer XLT. On the Senate floor Tuesday, Menendez had complained that Bush "remains opposed to higher fuel-efficiency standards."

Also waiting: three Suburbans, a Nissan Armada V8, two Cadillacs and a Lexus. The greenest senator was Richard Lugar (R-Ind.), who was picked up by his hybrid Toyota Prius (60 mpg), at quadruple the fuel efficiency of his Indiana counterpart Evan Bayh (D), who was met by a Dodge Durango V8 (14).

As a political matter, Democrats clearly sense that they have the advantage on the high gas prices, judging from the number of speeches and news conferences. "The cost of Republican corruption when it comes to energy is hitting home very clearly for America's middle class," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) exulted yesterday morning.

Sen. Debbie Stabenow (D-Mich.) introduced an amendment to repeal oil-company tax breaks and distribute $500 tax rebates to consumers. It was quickly ruled out of order.

But Republicans were clearly feeling defensive. "We passed an energy bill last year, last July," House Speaker Dennis Hastert (Ill.) pleaded at a morning news conference. "It changes CAFE [corporate average fuel economy] standards. It changes some of the things that we can do -- I'm sorry, changes not the CAFE standards, but changes some of the supply issues, boutique fuels, all these things."

Only Sen. Mark Dayton (D-Minn.), who can speak freely because he is retiring, was willing to note the disconnect between rhetoric and action. "People say, understandably, 'Solve our energy problems right now, but don't make us do anything differently,' " he said on the Senate floor.

If the politics of gasoline favor Democrats at the moment, the insincerity is universal. A surreptitious look at the cars in the senators-only spots inside and outside the Senate office buildings found an Escort and a Sentra (super-rich Wisconsin Democrat Herb Kohl's spot had a Chevy Lumina), but far more Jaguars, Cadillacs and Lexuses and a fleet of SUVs made by Ford, Honda, BMW and Lexus.

A sampling of senators' and staff cars parked along Delaware Avenue NE found that those displaying Democratic campaign bumper stickers had a somewhat higher average fuel economy (23 mpg) than those displaying GOP stickers (18 mpg). A fuel-efficiency rating could not be found for the 1970s-era Volkswagen "Thing" owned by Sen. Richard Burr (R-N.C.).

Maybe, lawmakers are starting to learn. When GOP senators had a lunch Tuesday a couple of blocks from the Capitol, many took cars. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) emerged from the lunch looking for his ride when he spied The Washington Post's Shailagh Murray. Reconsidering, he set out on foot. "I need the exercise," he reasoned.

Kennedy and Kerry - both liberal senators from a liberal state oppose windmills that might spoil the view in the wealthy area were they both have property. How can this be anything other than gross hypocracy?

Come on you liberal posters - we'll argue you about when and how much to control the oil companies in more appropriate strings. But, for your own credibility - you have to join us in pointing out how hypocrtitical these to "gentlemen" from the Commonwealth are. Really, you risk losing any crdibility at all.

Sees,

Actually, what I understand is that it actually spoils his yachting...but "view" was just more handy to drive home the point.

The problem with your views here is that you are ignoring the fact that Ted Kennedy is the liberal's liberal...the man who is fighting for the little guy and leaving no stone unturned to help our poor country survive the dark, evil Bush Years...except, of course, if what needs to be done has a bad affect on PART OF JUST ONE of Kennedy's swell homes...

Its called hypocrisy, Sees...

Its called hypocrisy, Sees...

And I exposed yours quite easily and effectively. Not that it was hard.

Mitt Romney opposes this proposal, too (it even says so in the very same article you linked to), but you conveniently leave that part out so you can turn this into an attack on liberals. So much for honesty, integrity, and, uh, not being a hypocrite.

And you have absolutely zero proof of your claims about Kennedy and the "views" or his "yachting." Nor will you ever offer any because in your mind, if you believe it, it must be true. You just like to say wholly unsubstantiated stuff like "it spoils his view" or "it ruins his yachting" because it fits your preconceived notion of Kennedy. Which is good to remember the next time you blather on about people attacking your beloved Bush with no proof of their claims. I pointed out that you have no proof, only an assertion you wish to be true, and your response is...no proof, simply an assertion you wish to be true.

So you've been smacked down. Gonna leave well enough alone, Noonan, and just be content to wallow in your hypocrisy, or do you want to go through it again? Your call.

Kennedy's NIMBY attitude about the wind-farm is on par with the Soccer Mom's Hum-Vee ( 8 mpg ) with the "W" sticker in the back right next to the yellow ribbon sticker that says "Support Our Troops". So if we're going to talk about sacrifice, let's make sure we make the rounds.

Mark, are you saying this sort of thing doesn't happen on the right, too?

When are you EVER (sigh) going to realize that ALL politicians are corrupt.

Stop trying to ALWAYS say that Conservatives are spotless and Liberals are evil. It is VERY tiresome rhetoric.

Why not answer a question I posed to you a long time ago that you never answered - give me two examples of things Conservatives have done wrong lately. Give me two things Bush has done wrong.

If you cannot, and just claim that all Liberals are evil, and all Conservatives are good, then you are BRAINWASHED!!!

Answer me the question without even mentioning the "Liberals are worse and evil" BS and I might rethink my opinion of you as a braiwashed lemming.
Prove to me that you can THINK, man, instead of spouting the same old partisan crap line for line.

Kennedy is leading the charge to kill the wind Farm, and its not just a drop in the bucket if you live on the Cape. The wind farm will provide 3/4 of all of the electrical energy needs of the Cape.

Its a well known fact on the cape that he, Kerry, Delahunt and Walter Cronkite and are against it becasue it will spoil the views from shore and while yachting.

Mitt Romney is just pandering to the left in Mass, hoping to gain support for his bid for the Presidency.

What is most troubeling about this is that an amendment to the $8.7Billion House bill funding the Coast Guard which will kill the windfarm project:

"Hidden in a piece of bipartisan legislation so uncontroversial it passed the U.S. House of Representatives unanimously Thursday was a sentence that may in itself spark controversy.

The wind-farm language was inserted as a ''manager's amendment'' - so-called uncontroversial provisions - by U.S. Rep. Don Young, R-Alaska., chairman of the House Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure, and U.S. Rep. Jim Oberstar, D-Minn., the ranking Democrat."

The language states that no off shore wind farm can be within a mile from an active shipping lane, as it would be a hazard to shipping. What crap.

This sounds like a bit of backroom horse trading to me. The two parties have gotten together and have a Republican from Alaska and a Dem from Minnesota sponsoring a provision to kill the wind farm. It makes me wonder who is getting what.

This is total crap, and both parties are to blame.

So, Bushleague you couldn't bring yourself to really just call kennedy on it without trieing to divert attention a little bit. Eh? OK - You recieve PARTIAL credibility. But only partial.

Come on guys and gals. A major NIMBY move by rich liberals and you won't call them on it? This is how NOW lost credibility under Clinton. Don't forget - it was the sexual harassment lawsuits that forced him to lie. NOW could have cared less about those women.

Funs over. He gets a pass on the wind farm, because he voted against bush's war in Iraq. Peace

Don't think it is blocking his view, it is 6 miles out..it is interferring with his yachting "lane"....poor bunky...

Kahn,

The proposed windfarm is a gnat of a solution to the energy problem compared to the SUV-driving, gas consuming,"but I love my troops", and God Bless America Soccer mom.

And by the way...you only get PARTIAL credibility until you can spell "trying" and "receive".

Just kidding...

league,

The soccor mom in question, however, earns the money to buy the SUV upon which she places her "support the troops" sticker...Ted Kennedy is awash in inherited wealth and yet he proposes to lecture the soccor mom on fiscal responsibility, while not making the slightest effort on his own part to improve things.

bushleague - yah, I don't always spellcheck. I usually catch the typos .5 seconds after hitting post.

But, these guys ALSO have fleets of SUV's. And, the amount of produced energy will actually be pretty large. If they are against it there and we let them have a pass, why should anyone have to put up with wind farms?

You are really going to let them have a pass. That's pretty pathetic.

It does remind me of how NOW refused to stand up for Arkansas state employee Paula Jones. Remember how the governor there had a state trooper bring her by his room? Where he promptly dropped his pants? Since it was Bill Clinton, they sided with HIM. The same on the other women who claimed harassment. So.....they lost credibility. Now, you have also.

I don't know, we've got windfarms out here in California and more often then not half of them aren't online. (It's wierd to drive by all these fans and only a few are spinning in a good wind.) Maybe the technology has improved but the wind generators never seem very reliable or long term to me.

I like the Solar plant we have out here in Barstow (Solar 2) but it's been through so many new owners and "tests" that you never know if it's on or working.

Solar panels on individual houses and for communities have worked well out here, but we're the desert and using sunlight here is like using the snow in Alaska to cool your drinks. :)

Basically all I'm saying is that while it's funny that Kennedy is opposed to the wind farm for whatever reason, I have to wonder how affective such a farm would be in the first place. Then again, every bit helps and SOME generation is better than none.

It would have provided 3/4 of the energy needed for the area. I think that's a pretty good start.

It's like San Francisco and the state of Washington not letting power utilities (and in the instance of the State of Washington, a publicly owned utility) build a tide power generator.

In San Franciso, it would have generated enough power to power that city every day and in Washington they would have gotten a FREE billion dollar bridge out of it and enough power to power the Central Puget Sound daily. But alas, there was some algae that we were concerned about.

There are sooo many technologies out there that we could turn to, but alas, Democrats want to score points by attacking Republicans for high gas prices and gain campaign funds from environmentalists. Republicans seem to be beholden (at least were until this month) to oil companies and are in favor of allowing people to drive vehicles that are clearly bad for the environment.

I'll give Bush credit for his new view that this nation needs to get over it's addiction to oil.

Still, we could make power dirt cheap in this country if all sides were willing to give something to the other's.

Also, is this windfarm anywhere near a famous bridge associated with Mr. Kennedy?

Most people blow smoke out their butts when talking about financial subjects, and parrot little thought out ideas. Of course, none of these paps have ever set a price to maintain the thin edge of competition and business continuation. The way I figure it, is let the government tax the big oil companies to a point where there is not only NO investment, but also no profit margin. Take that fricken slim 9 cents, and $3.00 gas will become $2.91 or the oil companies go bankrupt. Everyone of the libs will be happy!! Yeah, right! If they only make 9 cents margin by performing a much needed function, the government fat bastards (i.e. Ted) take around 50 cents tax, while trying to drive capital driven companies into the ground. Therefore, I suggest the large companies just go into bankruptcy and quit the business. Then we'll see the cockroaches in Washington really scramble. The economy would be in ruins and most of them would be in hiding. If someone pushes me to where it is not worthwhile to continue...I stop providing them with my services and then they whine!! ha ha Same with Walmart....give the libs what they want...Walmart should just move out of Maryland and provide their low prices elsewhere, and let the slimeballs fend for themselves for health insurance without jobs!!! ha ha Very few libs are entrepreneurs, so just fire the whole bunch of them for stupidity and for not taking jobs that Mexicanos will do. When China/Cuba start producing off the coast of Florida, the libs will be happy that they forstalled our companies from doing the same thing. At that time Kerry and Kennedy will be wearing Che' fatigues and doing the right arm salute!

I am amazed. Amazed that liberals here can't bring themselves to call the Kennedy’s and other liberals in Mass for wanting this killed. So, is it all just about hate of Republicans? Do you have nothing you really care about? You know, I've been saying that - but this is really stunning.

So, criticize me. Criticize big oil, and soccer moms. But - let your wacko leaders get away with killing something that could actually help for esthetic reasons. Just be aware – NEXT time you start crying about something you will have exposed yourselves as hypocritical hate filled empty suits.

kahn - i'll agree with you on this one. NIMBY NIMBY all around.

The left is always two-faced about these things. It's the same thing with school vouchers. They can afford to send their kids to private schools, but they won't let the masses do the same thing. Hypocrites.

Wait!!!! I heard why they don't want the windmills. Thet are afraid that they will use up all the wind. It is especially dangerous when Teddy is out of town.

kahn, I heard it differently---I heard that once MA could actually USE wind, blowhard Teddy was afraid he would be put to work for the first time in his life