Barneyg2000,
RE: "Curse you MEDIA!!!"
Well, you can say that and be somewhat correct. If it weren't for the biased left leaning liberal main stream media, the liberal left wouldn't have a means of spreading their propaganda as well as they do. If we had more even and balanced reporting that did not agree with and give preferential treatment to and deliberately spread the liberal lies an propaganda, that would help too. If the liberal media would try to educate the American public rather than being so quick to spread the liberal agenda, that would help.
I blame Republicans for not learning how to better and more aggressively use the media, and that really irritates me too! That's the Republican's own fault though -- it is not the Democrats' fault, nor do I blame them for that!
As for oil, liberals have and continue to block efforts to produce more oil, more refineries, more nuclear energy, etc. By blocking the production of more domestic oil and coal (which could meet our energy demands for hundreds of years), refineries, and other energy related efforts, liberals increase the cost of oil and energy for Americans, they contribute significantly to increasing America's balance of payments deficit, and they help perpetuate America's dependence on foreign oil.
Oh... but if America will just do what liberals want, they will stop their obstructionist and blocking efforts. Until then, they continue... and then have the nerve to blame President Bush for their actions!
And no, Iraq wouldn't be a garden spot yet, flowing with milk, honey, and oil (which we might purchase at market price). It may not, probably won't, and does have to be an American style democracy. It does need to be a stable, non-threatening nation that can contribute toward peace in the region. It would be much further along toward that stable country, growing democracy or other government of their choice, and potentially a stabilizing nation in that part of the world, if we had just a tiny bit of help from Democrats... or, at least not so much moral support for the enemy. Once that was accomplished, then you liberals could move on to your next agenda item.
I don't think most Americans expected to fight a war on two fronts at the same time... one against the terrorists in Iraq and the other against the liberals in this country! Each time an American soldier or Iraqi citizen, including children, is killed or injured, think hard about it -- really hard. Don't just blame President Bush. Ask yourself if liberal Democrats could have contributed to their deaths or injuries!
As Almiranta pointed out, President Bush doesn't demand nor does he expect everyone to agree with him all of the time nor to support all that he does, but he is the President. Just as your mother and father deserve respect from you, the President deserves respect for the office and the position he holds.
The next Democratic president will suffer too from the damage the liberals have done to the Office of the President, the respect it is due, and the respect America is due. All Americans will ultimately suffer in one degree or another. You can ignore the facts if you choose, plead ignorance if that makes you feel better, or spin it anyway you like that suits your purpose, but the fact remains, liberals have caused much of the damage to the President and America, but they accept none of the blame -- they either can't or won't see or understand it. They can't feel and touch it with their hands... but their hands are in it nevertheless!
The next time you attend your favorite sporting event or one at your child's school, try sitting in the home team's seating section and cheering for the other team. Try sitting there and booing your team... call them names... bad mouth them... call them losers... call them morons... and put the same derogative comments in the newspapers, television networks, and Internet... day after day after day. See how well your team likes that. See if makes them more successful. See how long the other fans let you sit with them before some of them physically pick you up and show you the door!
But... you wouldn't do that to your favorite sports team or your child's school. That would be disrespectful and unthinkable. You would cheer them on... even if they were losing hoping your cheering could help them win. You think it is some twisted and warped version of your patriotic duty and free speech right to demonize President Bush and America, but it's your civic duty and pride to support and encourage your sports team, even if their coach make some calls you don't like!
You and the liberal Democrats would not think of doing that to your favorite sports team, but... you enthusiastically do it day after day after day to President Bush and America and claim it has no negative impact on America -- your home!
AAR
"...I don't agree Bush on everything... So what? Does that make me unqualified to run Blogs For Bush?
That being sad, I look forward to seeing Snow in action. I'm curious how his style will impact the press briefings."
LMAO...Who is the editor?
No Mark if you or Tony Snow have disagreed with the President then you are treasonous and you're helping the terrorist and you're getting our soldiers killed....It's all yours and Tony's fault.....remember how that goes?
The President is no longer trusted by a majority of Americans. Every Bush move will be investigated for hidden political motives or as incompetent (how do you hire someone as your spokesman whom has called you an embarrassment?).
Personally, changing your press secretary is a minor move with little, if no, effect on policy, but since it effects the press Corp. it gets major coverage.
muirgeo,
RE: "No Mark if you or Tony Snow have disagreed with the President then you are treasonous and you're helping the terrorist and you're getting our soldiers killed....It's all yours and Tony's fault.....remember how that goes?"
You and the rest of the liberals just don't get it... on anything... period!!!
It's one thing to disagree with the President on any and all issues. It's quite another, however, to do it in the viciously hateful, disgustingly vile, and repulsive manner in which liberals have conducted their attacks -- on both President Bush and America!
Liberal Democrats haven't just disagreed with President Bush's policies, beliefs, and actions, they have taken it to lows never reached or seen before in this country. Their incessant and personal attacks on President Bush have demeaned and damaged the presidency -- not only in America, but around the world -- and have affected his ability to deal with threats to America as well as many other issues which affect American's lives. The damage this has done to the image of America's president, and to future presidents is enormous, and will take years to repair.
The same applies to the liberal Democrats attacks on our troops, the war against terrorists, and just about every other issue that the liberals left disagrees with -- which is just about everything. As I have said before, the actions of the liberal left and liberal Democrats have emboldened terrorists and anti-American factions around the world -- not just in Iraq and Afghanistan. Who can say how many American troops and Iraqi and Afghanistani men, women, and children have been killed and wounded as a direct or indirect result of the liberal Democrats incessant propaganda and hate campaign? Who knows how much this will cost America in the future... in American lives lost ...in terrorist attacks ...in America's image around the world ...in America's security ...in America's ability to deal with and influence current and future issues that affect America's lives?
If you don't understand this by now, it won't do any good for me to go through all of the details again now! I don't know if you and the rest of the liberal left and Democrats really don't see what is happening, whether you don't understand, whether you don't care, or if you think it is your liberal duty to continue with your attacks regardless of it's cost and damage!!!
Personally, I think liberals don't care about anything other than their own causes and agenda. They don't care what damage or costs -- lives or otherwise -- they inflict in their pursuit of their own agenda!
Just my opinion, but I think many Americans believe the same as I do!!!
Hopefully conservative will learn and remember when they are the minority party.
I don't know that much about Snow, but I hope he starts to carry the attack to the liberals and does a better job of showing Americans the true liberal Democrats colors -- the white and yellow flag of their cut and run mentality.
And Barneyg2000, the same comments applies to your observation about the President not being trusted.
AAR
Posted by AAR, “Who can say how many American troops and Iraqi and Afghanistani men, women, and children have been killed and wounded as a direct or indirect result of the liberal Democrats incessant propaganda and hate campaign?”
Yes, Iraq would be a garden spot today if it wasn’t for the media. The oil would be flowing like milk and honey, and gas prices would be under $2. If only the media did not seriously misjudge the number of troops need to keep the peace, or stop the looting of the weapon depots, or if the media didn’t disband the Iraqi security forces, Iraq would be a shinning example of American style democracy and efficiency.
Curse you MEDIA!!!
Barmy says:
"Yes, Iraq would be a garden spot today if it wasn’t for the media. The oil would be flowing like milk and honey, and gas prices would be under $2."
This is what passes for political debate on the Left. It reminds me of a response to a comment I made about how Terri Schaivo was denied her basic civil rights, the response being "And we all know Terri Schiavo would have been running marathons if we evil Democrats had not killed her." I guess that's the kind of spasm you have when you don't have a position. Or a thought process.
I think one thing that has become clear is that Dems, for the most part, simply do not understand that you can criticize a policy without mounting a full-bore personal attack on the reprsentative of that policy. Because to a lib, it IS the person. They don't seem to vote on policy, but more on the person they have chosen to follow. Or, more to the point, AGAINST the person they are told to hate. (Look how many---as many as 70% according to some polls---who voted Democrat not because they wanted John Kerry, but because they hated George Bush.) Fine--if that works for them. But they simply do not GET IT that conservatives start with policy, and then look for the person most likely to enact that policy---and keep the option to disagree if they don't like the way the job is done.
So to a lib, there is really no difference between a well-written column criticizing the way the President handled an issue, or calling him Chimpy and saying he is worse than Hitler. It is a very juvenile, personality-centered mindset, and incapable of comprehending that grown-ups do it differently.
And it is a simple, incontrovertible, fact that the President does not demand complete and total agreement with him. Appointing Tony Snow is proof of that. Yet another thing the libs just don't get.
I've been too busy to write to you guys for months, but it's good to see you continuing to plod away at your grim task. As new poll numbers show your boys approval rating to be somewhere between that of Jeffrey Dahmer and Atilla the Hun and each day countless millions grow more weary of the lies and incessant fiscal screwing shat upon them by Bush and the GOP Congressional Majority, you guys keep trying to convince us that everything's OK. You have already received the Lifetime Achievement Award for Douchbaggery for your witless cheerleading as the foul Bushtanic lists further to starboard, your award for cast iron balls is in the works.
You guys have yet to learn (or admit to yourselves) what the great majority of Americans have already learned, and that is that you too are getting screwed, you bunch of anti-intellectual pieces of sanctimonious shit! Figure it out!
I don't suppose I'll see my post among the sycophantic posts from your lowbrow audience, but here it is anyway.
have a great day!
I thought to the far left wing kook fringe dissnet is the highest form of patriotism? Does anyone else find it odd that liberals would lie about Jefferson saying this?
Is it me, or does anyone else get a creepy feeling when kookbats proudly quote Tony Snow?
Regarding the comments by AAR, in which you say, "Hopefully conservative will learn and remember when they are the minority party". I pray for the day when the conservatives ARE the minority party! This administration and it's wealthy corporate sponsors have done more harm to this country and its' reputation in the world than all of the Democratic administrations put together! It just makes the situation worse when the Republicans are the majority power in the Congress. My blood boils when I listen to the likes of George Allen and his kind! Our only hope in the short term is getting rid of the Republican majority in Congress in November 2006, and in the long term, electing a qualified Democrat (of which there are many) to the Presidency in 2008.
Oh the media is really frightful
But Tony is so delightful
And since we all need to know...
Tony Snow! Tony Snow! Tony Snow!
I find it interesting that the left seems to enjoy quoting some of Tony Snow's comments about Bush but not all of them.
Sort of like cherry picking....wait, isn't that what the left screams the Bush adminstration did...cherry picked?
Ah...pot meet kettle.
Snow will do a fine job.
By the way, this just in. My wife and I have disagreements about a lot of stuff from time to time. I still love her and she still loves me and we trust each other implicitly. Amazing how that works.
I think one thing that has become clear is that Dems, for the most part, simply do not understand that you can criticize a policy without mounting a full-bore personal attack on the reprsentative of that policy.
Posted by: Almiranta
Oh just shut your pie hole. You guys do the same thing. You did it to Clinton and you do it to Kerry ( a decorated war veteran) and you do it to Recently retired military generals. Shut the heck up!!!
Barneyg2000,
RE: "Curse you MEDIA!!!"
Well, you can say that and be somewhat correct. If it weren't for the biased left leaning liberal main stream media, the liberal left wouldn't have a means of spreading their propaganda as well as they do. If we had more even and balanced reporting that did not agree with and give preferential treatment to and deliberately spread the liberal lies an propaganda, that would help too. If the liberal media would try to educate the American public rather than being so quick to spread the liberal agenda, that would help.
I blame Republicans for not learning how to better and more aggressively use the media, and that really irritates me too! That's the Republican's own fault though -- it is not the Democrats' fault, nor do I blame them for that!
As for oil, liberals have and continue to block efforts to produce more oil, more refineries, more nuclear energy, etc. By blocking the production of more domestic oil and coal (which could meet our energy demands for hundreds of years), refineries, and other energy related efforts, liberals increase the cost of oil and energy for Americans, they contribute significantly to increasing America's balance of payments deficit, and they help perpetuate America's dependence on foreign oil.
Oh... but if America will just do what liberals want, they will stop their obstructionist and blocking efforts. Until then, they continue... and then have the nerve to blame President Bush for their actions!
And no, Iraq wouldn't be a garden spot yet, flowing with milk, honey, and oil (which we might purchase at market price). It may not, probably won't, and does have to be an American style democracy. It does need to be a stable, non-threatening nation that can contribute toward peace in the region. It would be much further along toward that stable country, growing democracy or other government of their choice, and potentially a stabilizing nation in that part of the world, if we had just a tiny bit of help from Democrats... or, at least not so much moral support for the enemy. Once that was accomplished, then you liberals could move on to your next agenda item.
I don't think most Americans expected to fight a war on two fronts at the same time... one against the terrorists in Iraq and the other against the liberals in this country! Each time an American soldier or Iraqi citizen, including children, is killed or injured, think hard about it -- really hard. Don't just blame President Bush. Ask yourself if liberal Democrats could have contributed to their deaths or injuries!
As Almiranta pointed out, President Bush doesn't demand nor does he expect everyone to agree with him all of the time nor to support all that he does, but he is the President. Just as your mother and father deserve respect from you, the President deserves respect for the office and the position he holds.
The next Democratic president will suffer too from the damage the liberals have done to the Office of the President, the respect it is due, and the respect America is due. All Americans will ultimately suffer in one degree or another. You can ignore the facts if you choose, plead ignorance if that makes you feel better, or spin it anyway you like that suits your purpose, but the fact remains, liberals have caused much of the damage to the President and America, but they accept none of the blame -- they either can't or won't see or understand it. They can't feel and touch it with their hands... but their hands are in it nevertheless!
The next time you attend your favorite sporting event or one at your child's school, try sitting in the home team's seating section and cheering for the other team. Try sitting there and booing your team... call them names... bad mouth them... call them losers... call them morons... and put the same derogative comments in the newspapers, television networks, and Internet... day after day after day. See how well your team likes that. See if makes them more successful. See how long the other fans let you sit with them before some of them physically pick you up and show you the door!
But... you wouldn't do that to your favorite sports team or your child's school. That would be disrespectful and unthinkable. You would cheer them on... even if they were losing hoping your cheering could help them win. You think it is some twisted and warped version of your patriotic duty and free speech right to demonize President Bush and America, but it's your civic duty and pride to support and encourage your sports team, even if their coach make some calls you don't like!
You and the liberal Democrats would not think of doing that to your favorite sports team, but... you enthusiastically do it day after day after day to President Bush and America and claim it has no negative impact on America -- your home!
AAR
"Oh just shut your pie hole. You guys do the same thing. You did it to Clinton and you do it to Kerry ( a decorated war veteran) and you do it to Recently retired military generals. Shut the heck up!!!" muirgeo
I'm sorry, I don't quite understand, what are you trying to say?
"You think it is some twisted and warped version of your patriotic duty and free speech right to demonize President Bush and America, but it's your civic duty and pride to support and encourage your sports team, even if their coach make some calls you don't like!" -AAR
What a terrible analogy. It's quite fitting that you equate cheering for a sports team to cheering for a political party - that's called blind loyalty. So let's use it anyway. All you want to do is "win" - you want Republicans to win elections, *no matter what* their politics or policy is. You have aligned yourself with a party, and you're too proud (read: arrogant) to admit any wrongdoings; you're too proud to actually abandon the party line. Just once I want to hear a Republican say: you know what, I was wrong - I'm sorry. Just once.
Have you ever seen highlights from the New Orleans Saints games back in the day, when their fans would wear brown paper bags over their heads at home games? That's the equivalent of liberals with President Bush. Those fans are embarrassed with the team - the owner doesn't spend enough, the GM makes lousy draft picks, the players don't try hard.
It is soooooo funny that the Republicans on this site are crying foul over liberals voicing their disapproval of GWB using very foreceful & pointed language. Grow up, already. You're guilty of it, too. Defeatocrats, moonbats, kooks, America-haters, etc., etc. What, too proud to admit it, AAR?
Sorry if we can't all be koolaid drinking war cheerleaders like you and your ilk. Get over it.
"I don't agree Bush on everything... So what? Does that make me unqualified to run Blogs For Bush?" -Margolis
It's somewhat refreshing to hear that you don't agree with Bush on everything. So I'd just love to see, every once in a while, a post from you or Mark that shows this. Link to an article of a Bush press conference, or a speech, or a policy suggestion, whatever - and let's hear you guys disagree with him. It's not that I doubt you - I'd just love to actually see that this really isn't: "Blogs for Bush: The Wh*rehouse of the Blogosphere."
dear rathaven - I'm a decorated war vet (Gulf 1), & so I rightfully criticized Lt Kerry for not retracting his KNOWINGLY PERJEROUS CONGRESSIONAL TESTIMONY re "winter soldier".
Kerry also never apologised to the soldiers he slandered in said testimony.
as far as I'm concerned, the swift boats were the least of the lieutenant's problems.
Although from the opposite end of the political spectrum as Phil, I too have been absent for a while. As a staunch admirer of Tony Snow, I thought this would be a good thread to return for some comments.
What I discovered during my absence, first and foremost, was that I still have a wife, and my business, which I have a tendency to neglect, is still thriving. I also discovered that there are lots of other blogs, some good, some not so good, and some just plain awful. In my travels, I not only found Scaramonga, my wife and I had lunch with him and his wife at the Cracker Barrel in Columbia, MO, on April 13th. He says hi to all the old regulars.
I really stopped by today just for a quick glance, but comments by Almiranta and AAR quickly caught my eye. I'm proud to share my conservatism with such heavy lifters as the two of them.
I left a couple months ago largely because, after reading a round of comments from the likes of muirgeo, Barney and maf53, I always felt like I needed to take a shower. There are always going to be people like them around who think they are better, smarter and more enlightened than the rest of us. They're on other blogs too. They'll never be in the majority, and the only way they'll ever find their way back into power is down a path paved with lies or, perhaps, through violent revolution. Their ideas and their agenda will never resonate with the majority of Americans. One of the best responses to such an individual that I ran across during my cyber travels was this gem from Alexandra von Maltzan at "All things Beautiful about a month ago.
phil - i have to quote you in full bc it was just so beautiful:
blockquote>I've been too busy to write to you guys for months, but it's good to see you continuing to plod away at your grim task. As new poll numbers show your boys approval rating to be somewhere between that of Jeffrey Dahmer and Atilla the Hun and each day countless millions grow more weary of the lies and incessant fiscal screwing shat upon them by Bush and the GOP Congressional Majority, you guys keep trying to convince us that everything's OK. You have already received the Lifetime Achievement Award for Douchbaggery for your witless cheerleading as the foul Bushtanic lists further to starboard, your award for cast iron balls is in the works.
You guys have yet to learn (or admit to yourselves) what the great majority of Americans have already learned, and that is that you too are getting screwed, you bunch of anti-intellectual pieces of sanctimonious shit! Figure it out!
I don't suppose I'll see my post among the sycophantic posts from your lowbrow audience, but here it is anyway.
have a great day!
Posted by: phil at April 27, 2006 11:04 AM
Phil - i had to borrow your comment in entirety and repost it was so beautiful:
Retired Spook,
Thanks!!!
AAR
"They'll never be in the majority, and the only way they'll ever find their way back into power is down a path paved with lies or, perhaps, through violent revolution. Their ideas and their agenda will never resonate with the majority of Americans."
What are you talking about, Retired Spook? Muirgeo, Barney and maf53 are already part of an overwhelming majority of folks who disagree with the administration policies and the direction the country is heading. I think it's you folks on the right that can't relate to ordinary, mainstream Americans.
extramedium,
Disagreeing with Bush is hardly the same as supporting the liberal viewpoint. Or has the democratic party officially changed all of its promises to "We are against everything Bush stands for" just now? Polls showing disagreement for some person does not mean that it shows support for another.
Once Tony's honeymoon is over I can just see the headlines from the leftist media:
"Snow Job"
"Snow freezes out media"
"Blizzard of BS"
"Snow melts underfire"
"Snow storms back"
I wish Tony well. Its certainly not a job that I would want.
extramedium,
Well... it looks like you, Muirgeo, Barney, maf53 and I all finally agree on something.
We agree the country is headed in the wrong direction.
We agree that Republicans are headed in the wrong direction.
We would all reply to the poll with the same response.
All of our responses would add to the total number of people indicating they are unhappy with the direction America is headed.
The problem is, those poll numbers can be a little misleading...
I believe America is headed too far to the left, and I believe Republicans are acting like a bunch of Democrats, and they had better get back to their conservative values before they really irritate those who voted them into office!
If Republicans are going to act and vote like Democrats, then why do we need Republicans in office taking the heat for Democratic policies and programs?
AAR
If a governing party simply governs by responding to the criticisms of the opposition, they will not stay in power for long. Having original ideas, and getting things done are what people vote on.
And just as important, the opposition has to have some realistic proposals besides promising the moon without making any tough choices.