NRO's Editors nail it pretty well with the recent events in Iraq:
The selection of a compromise prime minister in Iraq is a major victory for that country’s fledgling political class, and for the Bush administration. Purveyors of doom on Iraq now have some explaining to do: If the country is in the midst of a full-scale civil war fatal to our project there, how is it that elected representatives of the major factions were able to sit down and hammer out an agreement on the top positions in a national unity government? Iraq pessimists act like they have a special immunity from ever having to recalibrate their view of the conflict, as they instead move on to the latest iteration of their metaphysical despair.
And yet the left still calls it a debacle - a failure we have to extricate ourselves from, rather than a shining triumph of American strength and morality.
We can't reach the critics - they have too much invested in hating President Bush...but those of us who aren't living in the Leftwing Alternate Universe should be proud of our troops for doing this - and grateful that soon they won't have to be fighting terrorist bitter-enders in Anbar province anymore...
Posted by Mark Noonan at April 25, 2006 02:12 AM
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Great news. Does this mean we can declare victory (again) and leave so our troops are home in time for the fall elections?
Or is that just another form of 'cut and run'
-Joe
Posted by: -Joe at April 25, 2006 02:27 AM
Joe,
Oh, we'll probably have a substantial number of troops in Iraq for the next five years - what this means, however, is that shortly Iraqis will bear the entirety of the anti-terrorist campaign in Iraq, backed up by us mostly with logistics and air support, and the odd special forces unit fo some missions. We won in Iraq more than a year ago - since then, all we've really done is completely secure our victory.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at April 25, 2006 02:39 AM
This is progress. So now that the insurgency will soon be a bad memory, future presidents will not have to make decisions about Iraqs furture, the thousands of "tactical mistakes" that allowed the insurgency to get started can be called bumps on the road to ultimate victory, Iran will put down its nukes, Iraq will repay the 300 billion the war has cost us so far, China won't have to finance our mid-east wars anymore, gas prices will come down, and a time table can be set for troop withdrawals so that the Iraqis can take care of themselves.
Is all this possible? I hope so.
Posted by: Just Another Taxpayer at April 25, 2006 02:41 AM
Mark
We've had this part of the conversation before - Once we have a war with someone, we never leave. Germany, Japan, etc.
Your statement "....is that shortly Iraqis will bear the entirety of the anti-terrorist campaign in Iraq, backed up by us mostly with logistics and air support, and the odd special forces unit fo some missions" is very interesting.
Is this the republican version of cut and run or will it be named something really cool and orwellian from Mr. Rove's office? Or are these the new talking points from Mr. Ken's office?
Also, push away from that kool-aid table. Gas prices are never going to come down. Here is why. Every company values it's assests. Once the price of oil is, say valued at $60 per barrel the oil company, Exxon/Mobil, BP, etc re-value their assests. No company I know is every going to re-value their assests and declare a lower value when the price is going up.
End result is. This is what you get when you invite in and allow the oil companies to meet in secret with the Dick to develop engergy policy.
If the American people at large figure this out. The republican party will have hit the double bonus round in those terrible democratic polls by Faux.
-Joe
Posted by: -Joe at April 25, 2006 03:42 AM
Funny, Mark, how Joe tells you to "push away" from the kool-aid, when his lips are stained blue from drinking kool-aid spiked with...kool-aid!
Well, Joey, I guess "the Dick" also had some OPEC mambers in that meeting too, right? Who sets the barrel price, Joey? Not Big Oil. Your heroes had a part in it, along with OPEC. How's about we become a bigger producer, Joey? The Gulf, ANWR, shale. We have oil here, but the kooks are your supporters, and your leaders need their money. So bugger off with your conspiracies, Joey...
Posted by: keefer at April 25, 2006 05:30 AM
so, who wants to go on record and predict that the insurgency is in it's "last throes"?
warning: this could make you look as foolish as Dick Cheney, when the fighting still escalates
Posted by: dav at April 25, 2006 08:52 AM
I'm so glad things are finally going right. now that they are surely we can bring our troops home?
Or are things not so good?
Posted by:
DAV at April 25, 2006 09:14 AM
The Iraq war is, essentially over; the victory simply has not been declared. With the election of an Iraqi Prime Minister, the militias are going to be quietly disbursed, the Sunnis have recognized that a strong central government will protect them from their former friends al Qaeda and from 'payback' by angry Shiites...and our troops will be coming home by the end of the year.
Always bet on the cowboy!
Posted by:
Steve at April 25, 2006 09:58 AM
things are going swell. ONLY seven car bombs in baghdad yesterday and hey (time to break out that champagne) - only eight US servicemen killed over the weekend, and ONLY 70 servicement killed so far this month.
but hey, even a bunch of faction leaders can find a sfe spot for a few hours to safely sit down and hammer away the details of a new republic to be governed under islamic rule of law.
Posted by: bloviator at April 25, 2006 11:04 AM
Thanks once again, everyone in the alternate universe of the left, for showing us how flexible you are in your thinking, and how objective you are in you succinct analysis of geopolitical events.
From reading your sundry, pithy comments, it appears to me that you haven't got a clue what being in a state of WAR entails...
Sorry it can't be like a video game for you. It's a war. I guess you'll never get it...
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dbogdan at April 25, 2006 12:00 PM
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Great news. Does this mean we can declare victory (again) and leave so our troops are home in time for the fall elections?
Or is that just another form of 'cut and run'
-Joe
Joe,
Oh, we'll probably have a substantial number of troops in Iraq for the next five years - what this means, however, is that shortly Iraqis will bear the entirety of the anti-terrorist campaign in Iraq, backed up by us mostly with logistics and air support, and the odd special forces unit fo some missions. We won in Iraq more than a year ago - since then, all we've really done is completely secure our victory.
This is progress. So now that the insurgency will soon be a bad memory, future presidents will not have to make decisions about Iraqs furture, the thousands of "tactical mistakes" that allowed the insurgency to get started can be called bumps on the road to ultimate victory, Iran will put down its nukes, Iraq will repay the 300 billion the war has cost us so far, China won't have to finance our mid-east wars anymore, gas prices will come down, and a time table can be set for troop withdrawals so that the Iraqis can take care of themselves.
Is all this possible? I hope so.
Mark
We've had this part of the conversation before - Once we have a war with someone, we never leave. Germany, Japan, etc.
Your statement "....is that shortly Iraqis will bear the entirety of the anti-terrorist campaign in Iraq, backed up by us mostly with logistics and air support, and the odd special forces unit fo some missions" is very interesting.
Is this the republican version of cut and run or will it be named something really cool and orwellian from Mr. Rove's office? Or are these the new talking points from Mr. Ken's office?
Also, push away from that kool-aid table. Gas prices are never going to come down. Here is why. Every company values it's assests. Once the price of oil is, say valued at $60 per barrel the oil company, Exxon/Mobil, BP, etc re-value their assests. No company I know is every going to re-value their assests and declare a lower value when the price is going up.
End result is. This is what you get when you invite in and allow the oil companies to meet in secret with the Dick to develop engergy policy.
If the American people at large figure this out. The republican party will have hit the double bonus round in those terrible democratic polls by Faux.
-Joe
Funny, Mark, how Joe tells you to "push away" from the kool-aid, when his lips are stained blue from drinking kool-aid spiked with...kool-aid!
Well, Joey, I guess "the Dick" also had some OPEC mambers in that meeting too, right? Who sets the barrel price, Joey? Not Big Oil. Your heroes had a part in it, along with OPEC. How's about we become a bigger producer, Joey? The Gulf, ANWR, shale. We have oil here, but the kooks are your supporters, and your leaders need their money. So bugger off with your conspiracies, Joey...
so, who wants to go on record and predict that the insurgency is in it's "last throes"?
warning: this could make you look as foolish as Dick Cheney, when the fighting still escalates
I'm so glad things are finally going right. now that they are surely we can bring our troops home?
Or are things not so good?
The Iraq war is, essentially over; the victory simply has not been declared. With the election of an Iraqi Prime Minister, the militias are going to be quietly disbursed, the Sunnis have recognized that a strong central government will protect them from their former friends al Qaeda and from 'payback' by angry Shiites...and our troops will be coming home by the end of the year.
Always bet on the cowboy!
things are going swell. ONLY seven car bombs in baghdad yesterday and hey (time to break out that champagne) - only eight US servicemen killed over the weekend, and ONLY 70 servicement killed so far this month.
but hey, even a bunch of faction leaders can find a sfe spot for a few hours to safely sit down and hammer away the details of a new republic to be governed under islamic rule of law.
Thanks once again, everyone in the alternate universe of the left, for showing us how flexible you are in your thinking, and how objective you are in you succinct analysis of geopolitical events.
From reading your sundry, pithy comments, it appears to me that you haven't got a clue what being in a state of WAR entails...
Sorry it can't be like a video game for you. It's a war. I guess you'll never get it...