She isn't being arrested because she is a whistle blower.
Posted by:
DAV at April 23, 2006 08:47 PM
Its a wonder you guys have been able to keep the country afloat with all this horrible democratic leadership. When you guys take control, things are gonna be different. Just wait. Whaaa...
Posted by: steve at April 23, 2006 08:48 PM
If anything - I'd believe that she wouldn't be arrested because they can't prove anything. They probab;y suspected her and then did the polygraph. But, it may have just been a regularly scheduled test. She flunked - but without other proof - they can't use it to convict her.
But, whistleblower? That term does not apply to people who decide to disregard the lawful decisions made within the chain-of-command. Her party is not in power. She is not the President, or the Director of the CIA, or in a position to decide she doesn't LIKE a policy and so it must be destroyed. That is actually quite destructive.
Posted by: Kahn at April 23, 2006 09:19 PM
A law without a penalty is exactly the same as no law at all.
We either have to eliminate the concept of security clearances and labeling of sensitive information, or we have to crack down on those who reveal this kind of information.
Seems to me taht steve and DAV were absolutely hysterical about Scooter Libby telling a reporter something that Andrea Mitchell was on record as saying that the press already knew, anyway. Their approach was that it was OK for Plame and hubby Joe to talk about her working for the CIA, and it was OK to publish that fact in Wilson's bio, but it only got to be non-OK when a Republican talked about it. Talking about a well-known fact is evidently a lot worse than stuffing classiifed documents into your socks and walking out with them, Guess that's no crazier than anything else we hear from steve and DAV.
Oh, and steve, "democratic leadership" is an oxymoron. While "horrible democratic leadership "is a redundancy.
Posted by: Almiranta at April 23, 2006 09:21 PM
Another reason why smaller government, with less career bureaucrats, is better for democracy.
Seriously, the fact that she even had a job indicates that we have a long way to go to achieve a truly small-d democratic republic in this country.
The American people elected an administration. Twice. People didn't want anything to do with people like Mary McCarthy. Yet they still seem to dominate the operations of the government in so many different ways.
Posted by:
Will Franklin at April 23, 2006 10:11 PM
Al:
I applaud your reponse beting limited to under 1000 words this time. Now go mow the lawn you bum
Posted by:
DAV at April 23, 2006 10:29 PM
when i was in the USAF i was given a secret clerance it was not as high as you can have and nowhere near as high as a CIA agent. However I was made to understand that anything i learned was to be guarded and at time of war i could be shot as a spy if i gave this information freely.Thats why the enemy spends the time to get this information , now they can buy newspapers.
Posted by:
Rod Ferroggiaro at April 23, 2006 10:30 PM
"Oh, and steve, "democratic leadership" is an oxymoron. While "horrible democratic leadership "is a redundancy."
Al:
And culture of corruption is alliteration.
Posted by: Ash at April 23, 2006 10:39 PM
She needs to be arrested, charged, and convicted. But this McCarthygate scandal now has new leggs with officials in the OIG getting polygraphed. Very interesting.
Posted by: Tina at April 23, 2006 10:57 PM
Rod Ferroggiaro:
I too once served in the USAF.......
Posted by:
DAV at April 23, 2006 11:40 PM
Rod,
I had a step up above Top Secret when I was in the Navy - hammered again and again in to our heads that we were not to reveal what we knew unless directed by higher authority to do so...any questions were to be met with a "I can neither confirm, nor deny" and then directing the questioner to the proper outlet for information.
What McCarthy has done here is the worst sort of betrayal - not just letting secrets out, but letting them out in a vile attempt at thwarting the will of the people as expressed via elections.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at April 24, 2006 01:09 AM
Lynch her.... in the lobby of CIA headquarters. After a quick trial, of course.
(I suppose a stint in Abu Graib in the mean time would be appropriate.)
Posted by: LaMano at April 24, 2006 01:22 AM
".....The irony is that Mary McCarthy may have been fired for blowing the whistle and ensuring that the truth about an abuse was told to the American people.
There is something potentially honorable in that action; particularly when you consider that George Bush authorized Scooter Libby to leak misleading information for the purpose of deceiving the American people about the grounds for going to war in Iraq."
-Joe
Posted by: -Joe at April 24, 2006 02:05 AM
Joe,
Potentially honorable? I suppose it can be seen that way so long as you also believe that a soldier that shoots and kills the rest of his unit because he didn't believe the war was just and by acting out in such a way he would disenfranchise the people with its military is potentially honorable.
Posted by: Omega Destructor at April 24, 2006 02:14 AM
I have an idea. ..
as long as the polygraph machine is up and running in Washington, lets hook up a few more folks. Libby, Cheney, Bush, Rove, et al.
Now THAT would be interesting!
Posted by: dav at April 24, 2006 08:58 AM
Dav,
The first question you ask each of them is, " Are you the Decider?" Bush and Cheney's answers might be interesting.
Posted by: muirgeo at April 24, 2006 09:08 AM
"What McCarthy has done here is the worst sort of betrayal - not just letting secrets out, but letting them out in a vile attempt at thwarting the will of the people as expressed via elections."
Mark Noonan
The will of the people?
Imagine if these bozos ran on a platform of establishing third world torture centers and the NSA domestic wiretapping program. How do you think the election of 2004 might have turned out?
Considering the lengths that the administration went to to prevent any public knowledge of them, I think they knew the answer -- even if Mark denies the obvious.
Apparently McCarthy has paid for her conscience at the cost of her job -- a traitor? We'll see how her lawyers handle this, but I'll bet that the administration doesn't want that trial playing out on the front page (as it should).
If it does, the defense will probably have to call a lot of senior administration officials to answer questions about the programs in question -- the people may get their investigation despite a guttless Congress.
Posted by: Salvelinus at April 24, 2006 10:29 AM
With the libs entrenched in our highest goverment positions the enemys of our nation can save a lot of money , no need for spy training.Whats next tommorows news may give up any advantage we have left. Can you think of this going on in 1944 the world would be a diffrent place.
Posted by:
Rod Ferroggiaro at April 24, 2006 05:17 PM
She is no hero or wistleblower she is a traiterous weasel. If she had felt laws were violated she could have complained through internal channels. And if that was not satisfactory the only ethical thing for her to do was resign and raise the issue as a citizen.
BUT NOOOOOO
Like the sniveling spineless liberal weasel (I know that's tautology) that she is she chose to hide behind the media hoping to keep her job and benefits and never be
discovered.
She deserves prison
Posted by: phnxbmed at April 24, 2006 06:38 PM
Salvelinus,
Since when does "secret" equate to "torture" in the english language? Can you see the advantage of not disclosing the location of prisons where the most valuable inmates are held to the enemy? If I am wrong about this, please correct me, but I haven't heard any news varifying that actual torture goes on at these places.
Allegations that the prisons are torture centers are allegations, not facts. Releasing classified documents about tactical situations because of an allegation, not a fact, is not honorable. All it shows is that some people have no sense of duty, and instead decide their actions because it appeases their ideological fancies.
Posted by: Omega Destructor at April 24, 2006 08:47 PM
Its my prediction that the Mary McCarthy leak will be the undoing of the Democrats. Consider the following coincidences:
Mary McCarthy was a senior official within the Clinton admininstration.
Mary McCarthy worked on the National Security Council with Sandy "Those aren't classified documents stuffed down my pants, I'm just happy to see you" Berger and Joe "Did you hear the one about Yellow Cake from Niger" Wilson. While most of her service was during the Clinton years, she was a carry-over to the Bush administration.
Mary McCarthy worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Guess who else are members of CSIS? Try Zbigniew Brzezinski — Counselor and Trustee, who has been a frequent critic of the Bush Administration. General Wesley Clark USA (Ret.), Distinguished Senior Adviser, need I say more. And finally.....wait for it....General Anthony Zinni USMC (Ret.), Distinguished Senior Adviser. Where have I heard his name before?
Mary McCarthy worked with Richard Clarke on NSC briefings. Now, what was Mr. Clarke's take on our involvement in Iraq? Was he for it or against it?
Mary McCarthy, and her husband, donated over $7,500 to Democrat candidates ($2,000 to John Kerry) and the DNC in 2004. Pretty hefty sums for a mid-level analyst.
Dana Priest, who wrote the article about the secret prisons, is married to Bill Goddfellow, an anti-war activist with Center for International Policy and attended the Center's conference in 2003 with......wait for it.....Joe Wilson.
Finally, Mary McCarthy worked at the CIA with Valerie Plame and since she worked in the IG's Office, she would have been involved in a CIA referral to the Justice Dept over Plame's "outing".
So we have Wilson, Priest, Goodfellow. Clarke, Clark, Zinni, McCarthy, Berger, the Clintons, & the Kerry’s, all implicated in a elaborate plot to undermine the President of the United States in a time of war. Can you spell T.r.e.a.s.o.n.
Posted by: A-10 at April 24, 2006 09:22 PM
"Oh, and steve, "democratic leadership" is an oxymoron. While "horrible democratic leadership "is a redundancy."
Al:
And culture of corruption is alliteration.
Mary McCarthy, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, Sandy Berger, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, John Kerry (did you know he served in Vietnam, by the way?), Nancy Pelosi and the rest of that tired bunch of moping has-beens have given rise to a newer, better mantra...
"Democrats: The Culture of Subversion"
Ha! Ha! Our political motto is better than your political motto!!!
Posted by:
dbogdan at April 24, 2006 11:50 PM
She isn't being arrested because she is a whistle blower.
Its a wonder you guys have been able to keep the country afloat with all this horrible democratic leadership. When you guys take control, things are gonna be different. Just wait. Whaaa...
If anything - I'd believe that she wouldn't be arrested because they can't prove anything. They probab;y suspected her and then did the polygraph. But, it may have just been a regularly scheduled test. She flunked - but without other proof - they can't use it to convict her.
But, whistleblower? That term does not apply to people who decide to disregard the lawful decisions made within the chain-of-command. Her party is not in power. She is not the President, or the Director of the CIA, or in a position to decide she doesn't LIKE a policy and so it must be destroyed. That is actually quite destructive.
A law without a penalty is exactly the same as no law at all.
We either have to eliminate the concept of security clearances and labeling of sensitive information, or we have to crack down on those who reveal this kind of information.
Seems to me taht steve and DAV were absolutely hysterical about Scooter Libby telling a reporter something that Andrea Mitchell was on record as saying that the press already knew, anyway. Their approach was that it was OK for Plame and hubby Joe to talk about her working for the CIA, and it was OK to publish that fact in Wilson's bio, but it only got to be non-OK when a Republican talked about it. Talking about a well-known fact is evidently a lot worse than stuffing classiifed documents into your socks and walking out with them, Guess that's no crazier than anything else we hear from steve and DAV.
Oh, and steve, "democratic leadership" is an oxymoron. While "horrible democratic leadership "is a redundancy.
Another reason why smaller government, with less career bureaucrats, is better for democracy.
Seriously, the fact that she even had a job indicates that we have a long way to go to achieve a truly small-d democratic republic in this country.
The American people elected an administration. Twice. People didn't want anything to do with people like Mary McCarthy. Yet they still seem to dominate the operations of the government in so many different ways.
Al:
I applaud your reponse beting limited to under 1000 words this time. Now go mow the lawn you bum
when i was in the USAF i was given a secret clerance it was not as high as you can have and nowhere near as high as a CIA agent. However I was made to understand that anything i learned was to be guarded and at time of war i could be shot as a spy if i gave this information freely.Thats why the enemy spends the time to get this information , now they can buy newspapers.
"Oh, and steve, "democratic leadership" is an oxymoron. While "horrible democratic leadership "is a redundancy."
Al:
And culture of corruption is alliteration.
She needs to be arrested, charged, and convicted. But this McCarthygate scandal now has new leggs with officials in the OIG getting polygraphed. Very interesting.
Rod Ferroggiaro:
I too once served in the USAF.......
Rod,
I had a step up above Top Secret when I was in the Navy - hammered again and again in to our heads that we were not to reveal what we knew unless directed by higher authority to do so...any questions were to be met with a "I can neither confirm, nor deny" and then directing the questioner to the proper outlet for information.
What McCarthy has done here is the worst sort of betrayal - not just letting secrets out, but letting them out in a vile attempt at thwarting the will of the people as expressed via elections.
Lynch her.... in the lobby of CIA headquarters. After a quick trial, of course.
(I suppose a stint in Abu Graib in the mean time would be appropriate.)
".....The irony is that Mary McCarthy may have been fired for blowing the whistle and ensuring that the truth about an abuse was told to the American people.
There is something potentially honorable in that action; particularly when you consider that George Bush authorized Scooter Libby to leak misleading information for the purpose of deceiving the American people about the grounds for going to war in Iraq."
-Joe
Joe,
Potentially honorable? I suppose it can be seen that way so long as you also believe that a soldier that shoots and kills the rest of his unit because he didn't believe the war was just and by acting out in such a way he would disenfranchise the people with its military is potentially honorable.
I have an idea. ..
as long as the polygraph machine is up and running in Washington, lets hook up a few more folks. Libby, Cheney, Bush, Rove, et al.
Now THAT would be interesting!
Dav,
The first question you ask each of them is, " Are you the Decider?" Bush and Cheney's answers might be interesting.
"What McCarthy has done here is the worst sort of betrayal - not just letting secrets out, but letting them out in a vile attempt at thwarting the will of the people as expressed via elections."
Mark Noonan
The will of the people?
Imagine if these bozos ran on a platform of establishing third world torture centers and the NSA domestic wiretapping program. How do you think the election of 2004 might have turned out?
Considering the lengths that the administration went to to prevent any public knowledge of them, I think they knew the answer -- even if Mark denies the obvious.
Apparently McCarthy has paid for her conscience at the cost of her job -- a traitor? We'll see how her lawyers handle this, but I'll bet that the administration doesn't want that trial playing out on the front page (as it should).
If it does, the defense will probably have to call a lot of senior administration officials to answer questions about the programs in question -- the people may get their investigation despite a guttless Congress.
With the libs entrenched in our highest goverment positions the enemys of our nation can save a lot of money , no need for spy training.Whats next tommorows news may give up any advantage we have left. Can you think of this going on in 1944 the world would be a diffrent place.
She is no hero or wistleblower she is a traiterous weasel. If she had felt laws were violated she could have complained through internal channels. And if that was not satisfactory the only ethical thing for her to do was resign and raise the issue as a citizen.
BUT NOOOOOO
Like the sniveling spineless liberal weasel (I know that's tautology) that she is she chose to hide behind the media hoping to keep her job and benefits and never be
discovered.
She deserves prison
Salvelinus,
Since when does "secret" equate to "torture" in the english language? Can you see the advantage of not disclosing the location of prisons where the most valuable inmates are held to the enemy? If I am wrong about this, please correct me, but I haven't heard any news varifying that actual torture goes on at these places.
Allegations that the prisons are torture centers are allegations, not facts. Releasing classified documents about tactical situations because of an allegation, not a fact, is not honorable. All it shows is that some people have no sense of duty, and instead decide their actions because it appeases their ideological fancies.
Its my prediction that the Mary McCarthy leak will be the undoing of the Democrats. Consider the following coincidences:
Mary McCarthy was a senior official within the Clinton admininstration.
Mary McCarthy worked on the National Security Council with Sandy "Those aren't classified documents stuffed down my pants, I'm just happy to see you" Berger and Joe "Did you hear the one about Yellow Cake from Niger" Wilson. While most of her service was during the Clinton years, she was a carry-over to the Bush administration.
Mary McCarthy worked at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS). Guess who else are members of CSIS? Try Zbigniew Brzezinski — Counselor and Trustee, who has been a frequent critic of the Bush Administration. General Wesley Clark USA (Ret.), Distinguished Senior Adviser, need I say more. And finally.....wait for it....General Anthony Zinni USMC (Ret.), Distinguished Senior Adviser. Where have I heard his name before?
Mary McCarthy worked with Richard Clarke on NSC briefings. Now, what was Mr. Clarke's take on our involvement in Iraq? Was he for it or against it?
Mary McCarthy, and her husband, donated over $7,500 to Democrat candidates ($2,000 to John Kerry) and the DNC in 2004. Pretty hefty sums for a mid-level analyst.
Dana Priest, who wrote the article about the secret prisons, is married to Bill Goddfellow, an anti-war activist with Center for International Policy and attended the Center's conference in 2003 with......wait for it.....Joe Wilson.
Finally, Mary McCarthy worked at the CIA with Valerie Plame and since she worked in the IG's Office, she would have been involved in a CIA referral to the Justice Dept over Plame's "outing".
So we have Wilson, Priest, Goodfellow. Clarke, Clark, Zinni, McCarthy, Berger, the Clintons, & the Kerry’s, all implicated in a elaborate plot to undermine the President of the United States in a time of war. Can you spell T.r.e.a.s.o.n.
"Oh, and steve, "democratic leadership" is an oxymoron. While "horrible democratic leadership "is a redundancy."
Al:
And culture of corruption is alliteration.
Mary McCarthy, Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, Sandy Berger, Dick Durbin, Ted Kennedy, Harry Reid, John Kerry (did you know he served in Vietnam, by the way?), Nancy Pelosi and the rest of that tired bunch of moping has-beens have given rise to a newer, better mantra...
"Democrats: The Culture of Subversion"
Ha! Ha! Our political motto is better than your political motto!!!