Sure Condi whatever you say...now SIT DOWN at the lie detector table just used for Ms McCarthy!!

Rice claims in defense that information wasn't leaked

ALEXANDRIA, Va. — Condoleezza Rice's spokesman on Saturday branded as "utterly false" a lawyer's claim the secretary of state leaked national-defense information to a pro-Israel lobbyist charged with receiving and disclosing such information.

This story has evaporated from Drudge and other Right wing sites. I'm thinking it comes with a little BLOW-BACK.

Now again Mark what information was Ms. McCarthy accused of leaking? What was it about? Cause I still don't know.

McCarthy gate has not gone away. This has continued with several news stories. I hope she is indicted and convicted, and stripped of all her Federal benefits.

Tina,

If we find out that her leak is about illegal secretive prison camps do you still want her thrown in jail or maybe the persons who set up the illegal camps?

For me I'm all for approved interrogation techniques of suspected terrorist but I want the world to know what we are doing and I want oversight by people like the Red Cross ect...I want an accountable government that doesn't do things like lock away completely innocent people with no access to justice for 4 years ....very little the government does needs to be kept from its people....this administration wants to keep everything a secret....and they scare people like you saying a terrorist will come and chop off your head if they don't keep things a secret....Tina wake up...take back your country...it's not their country...its ours.

There is no proof of any secret prisons as reported by the AP, NY Times, and various European prisons. So, your question is not relevent.

The facts are she leaked classified information which had repercussions affecting our European allies and resulted in troops (ie Polish) soldiers dying. Also to compare it to Libby is a joke since Libby is not charged with leaking classfied information, nor does Missed-gerald indicate this in his court docs.

"If we find out that her leak is about illegal secretive prison camps do you still want her thrown in jail? Muirgeo

HELL YES!!

murky is playing the lib game of inventing something and then inserting it into his comment as if it were fact.

So tell us, murky---what is illegal about asking allies to detain some of our prisoners of war? Cite the U.S. law.

Then cite the law of the helpful country.

Because to be illegal, something has to actually break a law. Hearing it on Air America just don't make it so.

Then try to figure out the difference between your average garden-variety criminal and a prisoner taken during combat or in an action whch was taken against our country or its citizens. Because you murky guys murk it all up. You can't lump every person in handcuffs into the same category. I know it is hard for you, but you really have to try, if you want to overcome this image of yourself as a totally ignorant mouthpiece of the looniest of the left.

Within this country, those arrested for alleged crimes have certain rights---speedy trial, etc.

In war, prisoners who fall into certain categories have certain rights, under the Geneva Convention. That is to say, uniformed combatants fighting for identified countries in a declared war.

Unaffiliated ununiformed combatants and those planning or executing terrorist attacks fall into neither of the above categories. To pretend they are simply criminals and should be treated as such is just plain nuts---and the Clinton philosophy of doing just that, and its grotesque failures, should make that clear even to someone living in the murky netherworld of radical liberalism.

Remember, Clinton turned down Osama, several times, because he fretted about the legality of taking Osama in custody before he had actually been accused of a crime. And he dithered us right into 9/11.

War is different. Terrorism is different.

The facts are she leaked classified information which had repercussions affecting our European allies and resulted in troops (ie Polish) soldiers dying.
Posted by: Tina at April 23, 2006 11:38 AM

Tina,

Where did you read that? hear that? resulted in Polish troops dying?

Hey Mark thanks. Minor typo, however, Dana's a grrrl, so that should be "SHE got Intel from Mary O." My fault not yours. ;-)

"If we find out that her leak is about illegal secretive prison camps do you still want her thrown in jail? Muirgeo

HELL YES!!

Posted by: phnxbmed at April 23, 2006 11:46 AM

WOW! But the secretive illegal prison camps???? They are OK? Because you are a scared child...a victim of the policies of fear....an Uruk-hai for Saruman.......you are so undeserving of this democracy.....

Murky, needs to get new talking points.

Oh yeah, and for "Muirgeo": you don't get to decide what's secret and what's not. Neither does Mary O. McCarthy. Neither does the Washington Post.

The fact is that a partisan National Intelligence Officer who's willing to talk to the press this way might well choose to release only information that sounds damaging without releasing information that would ameliorate or explain. They might well mix fact with lies. You don't know, you can't tell.

Truths, half-truths, lies... Mary O. is a traitor regardless.

"So tell us, murky---what is illegal about asking allies to detain some of our prisoners of war? Cite the U.S. law."
written by dimbulb

http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html

I am the Decider!

Changing the subject to "torture" are we? Another thing for which there's no proof, except some isolated incidents where the guilty parties were charged with crimes or relieved of duty.

That the best you can do?

I think that the lesson is - is that we have to fire anyone who was in the Clinton Admin - they like Clinton are against defending this nation. They don't have the mental capacity to see a real threat when it is there.

There is the idea that the foreign prisons do not exist, but the information was put forward as a sting to flush out these lib leakers. Muirgeo, if in position, would surely have been one of those traitors. In no case is it proper to disclose classified security information. If this was a 'sting' it surely flushed out some liberal asshat Clinton crony sitting on her fat tush eating donuts. She'll regret it for a long time....now, lets see Bill Keller in chains (movie at 10)

If the USA has secret prisons in third countries, we shouldn't. Mary McCarthy, another patriot, speaking truth to power. Peace

Mark, wasn't your claim yesterday that the secret prisons don't exist? How do you hold someone accountable for "leaking" a lie?

I would like to see you do a top-level post on how having SECRET prisons in countries known to have low human rights standards is a national security priority.

It must be tiring to try to take every piece of bad news and somehow, grasping at straws, try to go on the offensive. Blame the leaker as much as you like.

Why not direct some of your so-called Christian values towards reforming your party, or the only presidential administration since the Geneva Conventions that has openly advocated the use of torture? Christian values, indeed.

What is the deal with acting like this woman is some kind of Clinton appointee? She is a career analyst for the CIA, she'd been with the CIA since 1984. Last time I checked, your messiah was president back then. She moved up through the ranks for years and years until she was one of the top analysts, and then finally ended up working at the White House (NOT as a political appointee, as a CIA liaison to the White House). And then under the Bush admin, which seems to take your view of "anyone who was in the Clinton admin," she was pushed out of her job almost entirely.

And it's ridiculous to think policy is never set by people who are not elected. What do you think Karl Rove does all day (at least, up until last week)?

Can't we ask Daily Kos to send someone other than...peace steve over here.
mortifying for them!!!!..

Winnow,

She also leaked other information, it would seem...and then there's the prospect that this was a sting operation...it doesn't matter what she leaked or whether it was true...the fact is she leaked it, and that is bad enough all by itself. It isn't for un-elected bureaucrats to decide these matters. Period.

Nicole,

But given her leg up by the Clinton Administration...and a Kerry donor; she's compromised, her agenda is showing through...and bureaucrats MUST have no agenda vis a vis their official life...upon them is placed an extra burden, similar to that on a soldier, to mute oneself in the service of the nation, to trust in the wisdom of the people to provide whatever corrective is needed to bad policy.

She betrayed her trust - in the most fundamental way possible.

Steve,

One must understand the neocon psyche. These guys are still defending Tricky Dick and consider Deep Throat a traitor. They are pathetic characters right out of a George Orwell book. Proof that claiming to be a patriot does not make you one. You can actually be so dumb as to nullify any intention of patriotism.

I think we need to take control and send all the neocons to black prisons in Eastern Europe for being guilty of treason. I mean once Gore is back in office he'll be the Decider in Chief and he'll have such complete authority since we'll still be at "war".

“In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes an act of rebellion”

George Orwell

The QUESTION, murk, was "what is illegal about asking allies to detain some of our prisoners of war?" Followed by a request to "Cite the U.S. law."

Your non-response was:
http://www.hrweb.org/legal/cat.html
followed by a typical insult.

As usual, the question was just way too complex for the murkman. Gotta wonder how you got through med school, m'lad, if you can't even understand a question as simple as that one. Because I'm sure, very sure, you really were an officer in Desert Storm, and a doctor,yeah, a doctor, that's the ticket, a SOLDIER DOCTOR.

Anyway, I did not ask about torture, much less what the beloved-by-the-left CAIR thinks about it. Why not? Because 'torture' is something you guys thought up all by your ownselves, you and stevie and whoever. It was not part of the McCarthy story, it was never claimed (by anyone even remotely credible, anyway) to be part of what McCarthy leaked, and in general terms it is just more of your tinfoil-hat conspiracy-addled anti-Bush piddle,

So, back to the question, bypassing the pathetic straw man you tried to set up. What is illegal about housing prisoners in other countries> Either our law or the law of the host country---I'll settle for either one.

Am I the only one who thinks that muirgeo and steve sound like 13-year-olds on a Red Bull buzz siting in their mom's basement and thinking they are cool? And clearly getting Orwellian refernces from Cliff Notes, because anyone who reads and understands Orwell can see the connection between his characters and the likes of steve and muirgeo. Like the "all leakers are equal, but some leakers are more equal than others" argument.

Dana Priest did her job and did it damn well. If I understand correctly she exposed that the CIA has an established covert prison system where it has been interogating al-qaeda operatives. It is illegal to hold prisoners in isolation and in secret prisons in this country. Which is why the CIA is doing it in Thailand, Afghanistan and six other countries.

The United States has signed the U.N. Convention Against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment.

It appears we have allowed CIA Operatives to use Enhanced Interrogation Techniques, some of which are prohibited by the UN Convention.

We need to understand how this war on terrorism is being fought and what ethical violations are being performed on our behalf.

Remember these people work for us. Even The Decider. And it is to us that they are ultimately responsible.

Based on our history of prisoner abuses at Abu Ghraib, I think there are legitimate questions that we need to ask.

Libby - Miller
McCarthy - Priest

so when the president does it, its "declassification", but for others its treason?

These two instances are practically identical, so whatever punishment you feel is appropriate for Libby, i will agree to the same for McCarthy.

oh, yes. you will argue that the NIE was being de-classified, yada yada yada. . . but no one seems to be able to answer this question for me. Is this really an acceptably method of declassification?

If Bush "declassified" the NIE, then the declassification process must consist of:

1. notifiying the VP, and his chief of staff, but NOT the CIA director, director of the FBI, or the press.

2. pick only the part that supports you argument, ignoring the parts that contradict the administration's position.

3. select ONE,ADMINISTRATION FRIENDLY reporter to release the info to, not the WH press corp.

4. insist on being referred to as "a former hill aide", instead of using your name and position. After all, this info is declassified, right?

question: So why the bother with a misleading identity for the source?

answer: THIS WAS A LEAK, TOO. JUST LIKE MCCARTHY, MINUS THE PRESIDENTIAL APPROVAL.

Alms, Normally spelling errors don't bother me as long as I can understand what a person is saying. But people who live in glass houses and all:

buzz siting in their mom's

Orwellian refernces from Cliff

"WOW! But the secretive illegal prison camps???? They are OK?" murkyjerk

Please explain where in our laws there is a violation in having SECRET camps. Perhaps in your twisted alternative universe there should be no secrets whatsoever from our enemies or the american public.

I can see it now: the Murkyjerk Sunshine Law, where all secret or classified info is published on the web for all to see and pass judgement.

Barring that we should ammend the confidentiality and secrecy agreements of our government and military workers to read:

"disclosure of classified information is a breach of Federal Law, and will be subject to prosecution to the fullest extent of the law, UNLESS the leaker FEELS they were JUSTIFIED, for whatever reason at all, to leak the information, regardless of the damage to national security.

A pathetically naive person such as yourself should not be allowed outside without a chaperone. Thank god you have no control over any US policy, we'd all have to learn arabic, and get prayer rugs.

This just in. . .

Secrets of the CIA
By Mark Hosenball and Michael Isikoff

McCarthy's lawyer, Ty Cobb, told NEWSWEEK this afternooon that contrary to public statements by the CIA late last week, McCarthy never confessed to agency interrogators that she had divulged classified information and "didn't even have access to the information" in The Washington Post story in question.

After being told by agency interrogators that she MAY have been deceptive on ONE quesiton during a polygraph, McCarthy did acknowledge that she had failed to report contacts with Washington Post reporter Dana Priest and at least one other reporter, said a source familiar with her account who asked not to be identified because of legal sensitivities. McCarthy has known Priest for some time, the source said. (CAPS MINE)

. . .

A counter-terrorism official acknowledged to NEWSWEEK today that in firing McCarthy, the CIA was not necessarily accusing her of being the principal, original, or sole leaker of any particular story. Intelligence officials privately acknowledge that key news stories about secret agency prison and “rendition” operations have been based, at least in part, upon information available from unclassified sources.

. . .
hmmm, may have been deceptive? one question?
haven't some of us over reached a bit here?