I've smelled a rat over at CIA ever since 2002 - and I think we might have found it.

AHAHAHAHAHAHA. Thank goodness we have Washington insider and special policeman Mark Noonan of Las Vegas on the case! Too much. "I've smelled a rat over at the CIA..." AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Mark, anti-American Libarals are in full retreat - Just imagine what they would be saying if she was a die-hard Republican

You know it, I know it and they sure as hell know it.

Just another Democrat undermining the war of terror

But don't expect to see any of this in the mainstream media. They're too obsessed with gas prices and Bush's approval numbers to be bothered with something so trivial as treason.

Ummm call me crazy but no one was happy we had secret torture prisons. It violates the law and make the United States look corrupt and evil. Thankfully we have brave people who are willing to out some of our more disgusting programs and allowing them to be corrected. Without it , things like bombing Cambodia and Iran Contra would have never been acknowledged, and an even more negative image would be on this country.

The sad part of all this is that "conservative" has come to mean exactly what Colbert joked about: support the president no matter what. He can spend like a liberal wet dream, choke the life out of free speech with "free speech zones" and crap on the legacy of Reagan by building a bigger badder fed than ever, and "conservatives" are supposed to cheer this all on.

First of all the story is on the front page of each major newspapers website.

Second, I think this is great. There is no down side. Either a CIA agent is being sacked for breaking the rules or she is a whislteblower with a story to tell. Secret prison facilies in Eastern Europe.....those don't exist do they?

secret torture prisons, Hahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahhahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaha!!!!
Um Steve, would you like to share with us your sources on this revelation! From what we've heard lately, investigations have yielded NO EVIDENCE of secret prisons much less secret torture prisons! Hahahahahhahahhahhaha! Glad we've got liberal activist Steve on the case! Careful Steve if you uncover to much you might end up in those so called secret toture chambers. Hahahahhahahahhahahahhahahaaaaaahahahhaaaaa!!!!!!

congressive, still stuck on the sheep talking point! You must be new around here, every sane person on this website knows we don't defend the pres. on every issue. We just respect him for having the balls to take on the terrorists and their willing allies the loony left! Are you a loony left con? Time will tell all things, kinda like in this leak(treason) case!

congressive, still stuck on the sheep talking point! You must be new around here, every sane person on this website knows we don't defend the pres. on every issue. We just respect him for having the balls to take on the terrorists and their willing allies the loony left! Are you a loony left con? Time will tell all things, kinda like in this leak(treason) case!

bearmanUSMC

Like I said in another thread it's amusing to watch the America hating donks repeat the same talking points that have been proven wrong. They just don't know where to go to get their new talking points.

bearman wrote,

"From what we've heard lately, investigations have yielded NO EVIDENCE of secret prisons much less secret torture prisons!"

So Bearman what did she leak?

Well George,
you seem to have the time, I'm sure you could get a goverment grant and go do some investigating yourself! Me personally, unless I'm running the damn thing I don't feel it's neccessary for me to know if our government is running secret prison fascillities!

My brother went with his college class to a federal penitentiary the other day, all he could say afterward was how the inmates are fed a hundred time better with way more selection than our own military! That's what I think of your secret torture prisons George!(just a side note)!

bearmanUSMC

Like I said in another thread it's amusing to watch the America hating donks repeat the same talking points that have been proven wrong. They just don't know where to go to get their new talking points.

Posted by: CJ at April 22, 2006 05:23 PM

Bearman,

Don't question my/our patriotism. Don't call us haters of America just because we oppose what we see as a usurpation of our Democracy by Corporatist and Theocrats.
I know you love your country almost as much as I do and that the only reason you support policies that undermine, freedom, liberty, justice, our constitution, and undermine the principals of government OF, FOR and BY the people is because you are ill-informed and don't know any better. I don't hold that against you. That's why we never question your patriotism just maybe you judgement.....we really both want the same thing for our country...you just happen not to understand how best to achieve it.

"I don't feel it's necessary for me to know if our government is running secret prison fascillities!"

Bearman

Bearman,

You know what I wrote a couple of post back about how we both want the same thing for our country.....based on your statement above I guess I was wrong.....I'll always hold my leaders responsible for being up front and ethical....I guess that's not important to you.....yeah maybe you do hate America after all....cus really anyone who tells me they don't care if our leaders are running secret prison facilities really does hate America IMO...that's insane and a true recipe for a fascist state...

If the Republicans push this issue, the Demorats may have just blown away their chances for recapturing the Senate/House. This is the mother of all scandals. Its on all of the news, and wait until Monday!

muirgeo

You are much worse than just "unpatriotic," I wish that was all your kind were. You have a vicious hatred for this country. Our only saving grace is your ilk are nothing more than spineless cowards who play keyboard commandos from your mommies basement.

George, Maybe you need to(well no that will never happen), just do some studying for me on military strategy and democracy. then tell me I'm stupid and unpatriotic just because I believe that everyone does not need to know everything! And if you want to know why people flip you libs the bird when you talk to them, refer to your extremely condescending paragraph below!

Sidenote, you libs don't hold a monopoly on intelligence, and you definintely lack in common sense! So if you want us to bow down at your all knowing feet, produce some solid evidence to back your hitleresque conspiracy theories. Otherwise we have listened to three years of filthy spewing from you and yours and we are sick and tired of it! You don't love America, you love yourself, I mean all we have to do is read you paragraph to figure that one out! Like I've said in the past, step aside and let the true American men and women do the work for you! You know we will! All us sheep!

Don't question my/our patriotism. Don't call us haters of America just because we oppose what we see as a usurpation of our Democracy by Corporatist and Theocrats.
I know you love your country almost as much as I do and that the only reason you support policies that undermine, freedom, liberty, justice, our constitution, and undermine the principals of government OF, FOR and BY the people is because you are ill-informed and don't know any better. I don't hold that against you. That's why we never question your patriotism just maybe you judgement.....we really both want the same thing for our country...you just happen not to understand how best to achieve it.

Posted by: muirgeo at April 22, 2006 05:37 PM

bearman wrote,

"From what we've heard lately, investigations have yielded NO EVIDENCE of secret prisons much less secret torture prisons!"

So Bearman what did she leak?
- Muriego

Nice, that's exactly what I thought when I read his post...

Posted by: steve

Ummm call me crazy

To easy.

but no one was happy we had secret torture prisons.

I’m not quit sure that you would know for certain that we are indeed operating clandestine prisons. Prisons that, ‘hypothetically’, would house the ENEMY and allow interrogations to take place in order to extract intelligence from combatants with the soul purpose of protecting your ungrateful back side, hypothetically speaking.
Personally I hope we do have such places to interrogate, (not torture as you seem to think we do), enemy captives.

It violates the law and make the United States look corrupt and evil.

You sound way to happy and giddy when you write about your country being corrupt and evil. I’m sure I’m miss reading what you say because I’m sure you don’t think of your country to be the bad guy do you?

Thankfully we have brave people who are willing to out some of our more disgusting programs and allowing them to be corrected.

Thankfully we have a new CIA director with the backbone to fire her traitorous butt and recommend the case go to the justice department. Hopefully this is just the tip of the iceberg with more to come.

Without it , things like bombing Cambodia and Iran Contra would have never been acknowledged, and an even more negative image would be on this country

There you go again, anticipation for more of a negative image of your very own country. I guess in your mind, going after the enemy in Cambodia was a bad thing, kind of like hunting down and killing the Taliban in Afghanistan was. Oh, one more thing Col. Oliver North ROCKS!!!

Peace through superior fire power.

Steve,

We don't have secret torture prisons...that is anti-American propaganda.

muirgeo,

She might have made it up, or she might have just been repeated rumors she's heard...and because she was a "highly placed CIA source", people believed her.

We don't torture people - and I don't know where you get your hatred of America which would allow you to believe that we do...

Bush should have dumped these empty skirts/suits in 2001. I hope she is charged, convicted, and stripped of her guv-ment pension/retirement. She is an unpatriotic bum - willing to put her self in front of her country.

It also appears that she sold Dana Prietsly a bad good of sales since the Europeans indicated they could not find any evidence of the so called CIA jails.

Its on all of the news, and wait until Monday!

Posted by: Tina at April 22, 2006 05:48 PM

No it's not on the news cus Mark said so.

Just who claimed that "secret prisons" equal "torture chambers"? Yeah, steve can leap to wild conclusions--or, in his case, just lurch toward bizarre assumptions---based on dreck like this:

"Some believe the CIA transferred suspects to secret prisons in countries where torture is more acceptable; secret prisons and many harsh methods of interrogation would be illegal on U.S. soil."

But anyone who can read and reason can see in a heartbeat that this pseudo-journalism is really blatant demogoguery. "some believe"?? Oooh, now THAT'S specific. Who believes? Why? Based on what? The gratutious linking of the word "torture" is a clue, guys. Whoever wrote this was clearly angling to plant an idea in your bony little brains, and he seems to know his audience.

And let's do define "torture" this time around, OK? Last time, you skated on your shrill assertions that embarrassment equals torture. But if that is the case, you are torturing yourselves every time you post some goofball regurgitation of the latest Ranty Rhodes riff.

Now, making me listen to Babs would be torture---or, if you really wanted to hurt me, you could lock me in a room with an infinite loop of Hillary and Kerry speeches. But we really know that while I would be miserable, it would not really be torture, any more than thinking your buddies might see a picture of you in a naked pile would be, or having to wear panties on your head.

Go get a copy of a video of the torture chambers in Iraq. Watch the videos of Iraqi terrorists sawing off the heads of bound prisoners with dull swords. Being made unhappy or distressed or even profoundly embarrassed is NOT torture.

So quit trying to get by with the two-pronged outrage here. One, even if there ARE 'secret' prisons in any country, for any reason, to assert that this means they are there to torture people is simply asinine. That's another lib credo that depends entirely on the Crystal Ball theory. Second, get off the high horse about every little thing being "torture". Pinning a man's eyelids open so he has to watch his wife and young daughters being raped dozens of times and then hacked to pieces while still alive---that is torture. Having pieces of your body cut away---that's torture.

Don't you dare to continue to trivialize true torture by continuing to PRETEND you think mere discomfort is anything like it. That is so dishonest, and so despicable, it is one of the few things that makes me actually despise those who spout it. The rest of your impotence-inspired rantings are just pathetic--this is disgusting.

Yes, its all over Fox News and just wait till Monday. The Alternative Media will push the un-MSM to cover it.

Interesting update. This may be plausible. Rumor is that she also leaked 2 other stories.

I think kudos go to the new Head of the CIA. He needs to clean out the Clintonoids.

The best way to find a leaker has always been to plant different "information" with different people, so when a certain piece of info was made public, you just had to look at who had been given that precise piece of what was really disinformation. It would not be surprising to see that technique used here.

The only problem here is the slavering mob of tinfoil-hatters who, once being fed fake info, will refuse to believe it is fake. After all, they swallow every goofball 'theory' fed to them by their handlers, and have proven themselves to be totally faithful to the dogma, facts be damned.

BTW, have you noticed that when the hundreds of Swift Boat vets got some money from a Republican, the wackos used that to "discredit" everything they said and all the evidence that backed them up? But let a lib like Plame or McCarthy have a lengthy track record of backing radical causes, and then do something totally unethical which is in support of those same causes, and the faithful merely look the other way.

I'm begining to smell panic among Mark and his lemmings on this blog. They can't extend beyond two sentances without:

a) Calling us a name.

b) Calling us unpatriotic. Anti-American. American haters. Traitors. Blah,blah,blah.

The more desperate they get the more outrageous their attacks become. I think this must be the latest strategy.

all he could say afterward was how the inmates are fed a hundred time better with way more selection than our own military!

Hey talk to Rummy about it, bear. While you're at it ask him to make sure the troops have protective gear too.

"From what we've heard lately, investigations have yielded NO EVIDENCE of secret prisons much less secret torture prisons!"

So Bearman what did she leak?
Posted by: muirgeo at April 22, 2006 05:28 PM>>>

Can you say "sting"?

Actually Ash, I look to and blame you liberal ashactivists that love to bestow every right under the sun to a convicted felon, a terrorist, or an illegal alien. You hate with an utter passion anything the military stands for(most of you at least), tho you won't admit it for the fear of that 6' hole you will create. No beating around the ash tree. Desperation........ nope.....just downright pissed at your warmongering right here with our own democracy!

Ash,

"The more desperate they get the more outrageous their attacks become. I think this must be the latest strategy. "

Really? I don't see it any more or less frequently than usual, considering the circumstances. But I have a similar theory about those on your side. The more desperate your side becomes, the more they lose their ability to come face-to-face with debated issues.

The economy's showing improvement in many sectors? Well, just complain about the deficit or gas prices, completely ignoring the good news! Signs of improvement in Iraq? Well, just mention a road-side bomb and you're happy, not even acknowledging the good. Signs of Democratic political corruption? Well, just say something snide like how some Republican congressman is under investigation also and you'll be set, completely ignoring the Democrats' problems. Bush does anything that might be considered good? Well, just tap that "33% approval rating" figure like you always do, completely ignoring if its a good move or not, and you'll be satisfied.

I've seen this type of behavior much more frequently over the past few weeks. If politics wasn't such an abstract field, I'd say that many on the left side of things are suffering from the classical Freudian defense mechanism of denial. They've held onto their "Republicans are evil and corrupt, Bush is an evil moron" stigma for so long, they can't accept it when data that counters their view and makes the ones that they have allied themselves with seem wrong appears. Thus, they subconsciously repress or deny the things which are ever more frequently being told to them. Perhaps these side comments in almost every post here are physical expressions of their subconscious turmoil. They justify their side's actions by deluding themselves into thinking that the other side is worse by deliberately overemphasizing the various "scandals" that have happened over the years.

Perhaps there truly is some sort of anti-Bush derangement syndrom.

I look to and blame you liberal ashactivists that love to bestow every right under the sun to a convicted felon, a terrorist, or an illegal alien. You hate with an utter passion anything the military stands for(most of you at least),

It burns me how much you use the left being anti military card when it is so unfounded. How does not supporting putting our troops in harms way mean we don't like the military? We don't want them to die, gee we must hate their guts... No one is against the military, we are against the damage the military inevitably inflicts when they are ordered to carry out stupid operations conceived by a prince.

The difference between us not taking glee in civilian and innocent deaths is signifigant, which only further attests to how hypocritical you are with your "values", but is not all that seperates us. The difference is you would wish the country to swing its fists wildly and indiscriminantly, where as liberals would rather make thought out surgical strikes, limiting waste of energy, resources, and fall out.

So Bearman what did she leak?

morongeo, if you weren't the stupidest kookbat troll on B4B before today, you are now. There were reports all week about some terrorism official in the EU refuting claims of secret terror prisons. There is no evidence, dipsh*t!

As for what she leaked, you'll find out soon enough. She will be indicted if she truly divulged classified information to reporters.

bearman, these pukes aren't worth letting your blood boil. They are as naive as they come, and don't understand the intel field at all. They definitely don't understand the military, as you and I, brothers in arms, do.

Oh boy, Ash-hole has chimed in. I guess the smack wore off...

So Bearman what did she leak?

morongeo, if you weren't the stupidest kookbat troll on B4B before today, you are now. There were reports all week about some terrorism official in the EU refuting claims of secret terror prisons. There is no evidence, dipsh*t!

As for what she leaked, you'll find out soon enough. She will be indicted if she truly divulged classified information to reporters.

bearman, these pukes aren't worth letting your blood boil. They are as naive as they come, and don't understand the intel field at all. They definitely don't understand the military, as you and I, brothers in arms, do.

Oh boy, Ash-hole has chimed in. I guess the smack wore off...

Oh, and I forgot, morongeo--we'll question your patriotism all we wish. Look what you accuse us of being, ass! I suggest you go elsewhere if you don't like it. Why don't you, Ash-hole, and Baloney go have some sort of threesome, and leave us patriots alone?

That's why we never question your patriotism just maybe you judgement.....we really both want the same thing for our country...you just happen not to understand how best to achieve it.

George, I just read the rather poorly-written end of your post. Just what is it that we don't understand, chump? What is this magical "best way to achieve it?"

And you're full of Ash--we don't want the same thing. You want a country where the rich are penalized for success, and their wealth is redistributed to those who don't have the ambition to work for it themselves. In a nutshell, you want France. Why don't you take your sorry ass there, if you hate your country so much?

Head's up. This board gets a lot of blue screen errors, but when you get a message saying your post is being delayed to prevent abuse, that means your post went through. Don't click it again, or you double post. Just go back to the thread as see if it posted.

Steve,

It burns me how you, wacko freak pacifist(oops sorry, no name calling for steve), who wouldn't stand up to be counted if your own flesh and blood were being raped, tortured, ravaged, & murdered, would dare to judge those of us who stand between you and uncertain death!

We take glee in civilian and innocents death??? You stupid smuck, we are there to help prevent that! Mister hypocricy himself, where were you when Saddaam was killing thousands!

How many soldiers that were or are in harms way in Iraq, have you had in depth talks with? They will tell who they feel supports them! Even the Democrats in the military hate your condescention towards them! Simple questions get simple answers steve........Hello mister mean green killin machine, who supports you and what you do more, The liberals or everyone else in this country?
Ding ding ding ding...........that's right everyone else!

Steve say;
The difference is you would wish the country to swing its fists wildly and indiscriminantly, where as liberals would rather make thought out surgical strikes, limiting waste of energy, resources, and fall out.

Posted by: steve at April 22, 2006 10:53 PM

Bwahahahahahaaaaaaa!
Your so full of puke it's running out your ears & nose! You would ban the military in a hearts beat, and hope that your peaceful intentions were enough for the saddaams & Talibans of the world! Come on, be straight with us, you despise the military. Your not pulling the wool over anyones eyes but your own! You think we are stupid....... WE ARE NOT!

Your right Keef, they aren't worth the toilet paper we use to wipe with, but hey I'm mad enough to have some fun today! I was fine till I read that Mcarthy B.S. this morning! Talk about underminding this country!

morongeo, if you weren't the stupidest kookbat troll on B4B before today.....

Posted by: keefer

That's Moonbat to you buster...whoohooo..I'M NUMBER 1....in your face Barney...Passed you up.....Did you read the part about blood boiling ....YEEEESSSSSS!!!

lol bearman

sorry, lol @ bearman

No, Steve, you were right the first time! If anyone here a B4B deserves to be laughed AT, it's definitely you and muirgeo!

bearman, we can't let you military nuts run amuck. and I hold jingoistic military apostles like you and keefer responsible for the United States being hated in so much of the world. After seeing what we have done in Iraq, why wouldn't Iran want to arm itself in defense?

As Steve said, we should not just start swinging with wild abandon. Lets consider a little bit better where we should strike.

Lest you think all "brothers in arms" (and how gay does that sound) think like you do, realize this: I am a veteran of the Air Force. And check out the West Point grads against the war site.

and keefer: a little respect! I'm a top 10 moonbat at least!

Ash, how a guy like yourself ever made it thru any military branch is beyond me. But I guarantee whatever job you held it had nothing to do with military strategy & actual battle tactics!

you say after seeing what we have done in Iraq! Do you have dog crap in your eyes! The actual war was a stunning success! You fruity libs just don't like to disinguish between the actual war & the policing and terrorist routing that is taking place now! Of course it wouldn't help you politically if you were to separate the two! Like I said to steve ash, talk to some of the boyz on the ground(if you really give a crap, which I don't believe you do), they tell you what's really up! Do I talk to them? Hell yes, all the time! And they don't like you guys! West point.......shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit, give me a break guys, I know as many west point grads as you read about, & your guys don't make up a percentage point! Get real ash!

Bearman there is no doubt we won the war. Of course we did we have the best military bar none. But we didn't win out on the policy issue. And I'm sorry, much as I support the troops and respect their actions they are not experts on policy.

And yes I read an article by a Marine guy (Colonel H. R. McMaster) in The New Yorker and it was impressive what a good guy he was and how futile the situation and his task at hand of civilizing just one small Iraqi city was.

Read it here;

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060410fa_fact2

Oh and I served 7 years active duty in the Air Force. And was on active duty during the first Gulf War...as a physician. Didn't go to the Gulf because they didn't call me to but I would have done so with out hesitation. Several physicians from my unit did go over to the Gulf. Several of the killed and wounded in that war were fellow physicians , nurses and medics. Also had 4 years in the Air Force reserve.

bearmanUSMC - all apparent (judging from your handle) that you like to wear your military service with pride. but don't think for one minute it gives you the freedom to denounce anyone who disagrees with your asinine, meatheaded views on foreign policy.

this anti-american, patriot crap is exactly that: a last-ditch, and visibly desperate effort to paint the MAJORITY as batsh** crazy. to your own chagrin - you inhabit an ever shrinking corral of bush supporters who blindly seek fealty to their king.

and one more things bearmanUSMC -

if you say the war in irag is such a "stunning success" (that quote is so blatantly laughable i don't even know where to begin), please describe what an "utter failure" would equate to? in your up-is-down world, you've set the bar so low, it shudders me to even think what failure must look like.

yeah- there are plenty of readers here who have their disagreements on the relative result of this charade in iraq but really, i think you've carved out your very own, special niche in LA-LA land.

OK guys, I'm human too! I know it's hard to believe, but I make mistakes too! I was in a hell of a mood last night and got a little billigerent(what a concept)! I apologise for the nasty remarks questioning your previous service to our country! Thanks for your service!

That being said, doesn't change the fact that your heads are now so far up your behind you don't know your military right from your left! George, I have never said that there can't be a dissenting view or differences of opinion within or outside military! I know there are different views! A few soldiers even think this is fubar! But they don't come out denigrading, underminding the military in it's effort! They probably know you guys will do enough of that! One thing they all think and know without a shadow of a doubt tho is that when it comes to POLICY(not emotions, or cards, or care packages), yes POLICY there support does not come from your party and hasn't in our generation! If you want to continue to fool yourselves into thinking you have there best interests at heart go right ahead! It's not like I could or would stop you! Worst I can do is hurl a few insults your way!

bloviator, you just keep reading your polls the way you want to! It'll just make your dissapointment more meaningful for me come election time. By the way bloviator, I'm one of those majority that's not happy with the presidents job, and not happy about the way the supposed WAR is going!!! I guess that makes me a liberal democrat, who should I vote for in 06'. Nevermind, my senator & rep. will always be conservative seeing as the smart people migrate to where we live just to get away from San fransisco & hollywood!

but if you are not happy with the way the war is going, how you can proclaim it to be a "stunning success" - i'm confused about your position..

Murky is a doctor? Now, THAT is scary.

And if Ash is an Air Force veteran, he must know how long and difficult pilot training is. He probably remembers all those ANG pilot trainees assigned to the Air Force for their training. He might even remember how dangerous it was.

I wonder how these two vets feel about Kerry going to North Viet Nam, while he was still an active officer, two times, during the war, to offer his aid and support for their effort. Or how they feel about him honoring his word to the enemy and lying about honorable soldiers and airment, just to get air time and advance his political plans. Or his using an American flag, turned upside down, on the cover of his book.

So many inconsistencies.

Read my lips lol(or my post) "Supposed war". Refer to previous post where I rail on libs for not defining the difference between the war we won, and the policing & terrorist routing we are doing now! Of course George comes back with the policy thing! George if it's about policy then keep it about policy not torture chambers & soldiers terrorizing civilians(B.S.)! The Problem with the policy arguement is that libs can't come back with any solid evidence to support there sordid theories about our esteemed pres. & his admin. I will never be completely happy with any admin. boliviator, as much as this may burst Maf, DAV, & IIS's bubble, I am NOT a sheep! I do however love my country, served my country(gulf war), have a brother whom served in Afghanistan & Iraq! God knows if the crap hits the fan I'll be the loudest voice on the block! But not a lynch mob(MSM) with a bunch of B.S. theories they can't prove for three years straight are going to convince me to turn on my countrymen & the Iraqi people! Am I clear this time!

By the way bloviator, your "confusion" is exactly what I'm talking about with the polls! You are "assuming" as you read these polls, for instance, The pres. job approval rating! You assume that unhappiness w/the pres. = Democrat victory in 06'. But I'm unhappy with the pres. because of the border issue, spending, the fact that we aren't drilling for ALOT of oil in our own country and being enslaved to the middle east!

When it come to the war in Iraq, I'm unhappy that there isn't a better anti-propaganda campiagn against the MSM in the form of interviews of the regular Iraqis, regular military men, children, etc. and multiple town hall meeting types with educational information on the progress in Iraq! Instead we are inundated with negative, pessimistic views that our boyz in the field are forced to ignore cause it effects there norale a ton! Enough said for now, I think you get my point! I hope you get my point!

However.....off topic.

It is a false argument to claim that because the details of classified files are not released, the files don't exist. McCarthy revealed some classified information to, evidently, one person. They both got caught.

The reason the information is classified is because someone thought it would endanger national security to have it made public. So you think it should be made public to prove it exists? That makes no sense at all.

What we are reading appears to be speculation, built, perhaps, on some nuggets of fact but speculation nontheless.

It is also one of those wild leaps of faith so common to---so essential to---liberalism, to just ASSUME McCarthy leaked this information for some noble cause, some sense of deep patriotic duty. She could just as easily have been paid to do it. She could just as easily have realized the dangers to the people involved but bought into the leftist theory that it's all relative, and you get to make your own rules depending on who you're mad at at the time. She could have done it to get in Dana's pants. She could have been trying to get her boss in trouble. She could have been the victim of a Vulcan mind-meld. She could have had a few too many Jello shooters. She could have been channeling her evil twin, Sparky.

The list of "could haves" is infinite. So the claim of somehow knowing her true motives is just more of the Crystal Ball BS. You don't know what people think. You don't know what motivates them. You just invent stuff and put it out there as if you KNOW it, and as if it were fact.

Still OT, but...

Bearman, you make some very good points.

If I were asked if I am happy with the way the President is handling the war, and I got a one-word answer, yes or no, I would have to say no. For many of the same reasons you give.

I think the White House should hammer the weasel words used by the left to create impressions rather than give facts. We have found PROOF, for example, of WMD in Iraq, and of fairly recent origin. But the left skates on their claim that we have not found actual WMD. I'm ticked off that the White House, in taking the higher ground, is leaving the impression that the left is correct.

I'm mad that the White House is not mounting a much more aggressive campaign to educate eople about the advances and successes in Iraq,instead of leting the left dictate the terms and then define them.

And so on.

So someone polling me would put me in the "disapproval" category, when I fully approve of the President and the war.

As I've said before, ask any Iraqi "Do you want the Americans to go home?" and the answer will, invariably, be "yes".

But ask "When do you want the Americans to leave?" and the answer will be a form of "When the job is done, when we have a trained police force and military and can protect ourselves. Because if you leave now, it will make the entire war, and all the sacrifices we have all made, a waste."

Quite a difference.

bearmanUSMC - what war did we win? and if we won it, how come your dear leader is still claiming we are at war? is it so he can continue to claim unitary authority?

if your idea of victory equates to the removal of saddam hussein (where the hell is bin laden BY THE FRIGIN WAY?) than you espouse the short-sighted logic of a simpleton - just like bush. fact of the matter, its a great deal more complicated than that.

let's start talking about the countless billions WASTED (we're talking bails of 100 dollar bills dropped out of helicopters and then disappearing into god knows where). corruption abound in the disbursement of ALL OF THAT MONEY (your money and my money) to wartime profiteers whom have for the most part failed in every way to get basic resources up and running in that country again?

and where in god's name are those wmd's? tell me, bc i sure as hell would like to know, and i'm damn sure there are plenty of others who would like to know too.

you sound so angry at us "libs" (and you assume i am one - even though i consider my political leanings PURELY issue-based and frequent this website bc i like to read some of the perspectives that are written here) but you fail to take into account that there is plenty of reason to be angry - particularly when it comes to being sold a war on flat-out lies (and you know it!) its not just the "libs" who are angry, there are plenty in your own constituency (and i'm not quite sure what exactly that is) who probably share equal resentment toward the remarkable hubris and arrogance displayed by this administration.

if you want to get started debating any subject, NSA, iraq, iran, fiscal deficits, china, immigration, intelligence leaks, etc.. let's have at it. i'll step up that plate.

(who knows, we might even find common ground here and there - but judging from your baseless vitriol, i tend to doubt that would be the case)

Uhh Almiranta I don't want to spoil your party or anything but they haven't found a single WMD, or any proof of any recent program. If you are talking about the numerous pre sanction programs, yes, they existed and the facilities and materials used in these programs did indeed exist. No one on the planet says that Iraq never had WMDs. They didn't have them when we invaded. Every shred of evidence supports this. If you can find me a single article, picture, anything, go right ahead.

p.s. Don't try the mobile labs, the military has since retracted their guess as to what they were.

Almiranta, don't waste your time with stevey. He doesn't want to believe that the thousands of documents still being poured over are chalked full of proof of WMD's & ties with Al-Queada! Nothing you say will convince him. You could put him on the ground in Iraq for a few months and he would still stick his head in the sand! It's OK steve, like I keep saying, we've got your back!

Almiranta, don't waste your time with stevey. He doesn't want to believe that the thousands of documents still being poured over are chalked full of proof of WMD's & ties with Al-Queada! Nothing you say will convince him. You could put him on the ground in Iraq for a few months and he would still stick his head in the sand! It's OK steve, like I keep saying, we've got your back!

muirgeo,

She might have made it up, or she might have just been repeated rumors she's heard...and because she was a "highly placed CIA source", people believed her.

We don't torture people - and I don't know where you get your hatred of America which would allow you to believe that we do...

Posted by: Mark Noonan at April 22, 2006 06:33 PM

Mark I would love to think that it was a strategically placed lie to flush a constant dispicable rat! What do you think???

bearmanusmc -
(i should add)
you said you served in the gulf war and you ought to be commended for that. that was a brilliantly executed war and no doubt you played an integral part in that.

how then do you reconcile the execution of iraq II under rumsfeld?

aww come on bearman - you're such an easy target:

Almiranta, don't waste your time with stevey. He doesn't want to believe that the thousands of documents still being poured over are chalked full of proof of WMD's & ties with Al-Queada!

you make such a bold statement in the safety of your own hen-house, get on google and do a bit of research and PRODUCE these untold "thousands" of documents to support your claim.

just produce it. if you are going to say it, back it. unchecked words are way too easy to type.

Thanks bear!

blov- I'm not an easy target at all! You just don't get it. Rumsfeld-iraq 2- brilliantly executed! Blov, war on Saddaam is over dude! War on terrorism goes on without your help! Believe it or not, we are kickin there arse. If you know any real live current soldiers talk to them, if you know any real live intel. officers, talk to them! I happen to know quite a few, I actually talk to them! We ARE winning, even with the dumbarse media(and lib activist groupies) trying to tie our hands at every pass! I stopped getting my news from CNN & NY times a long time ago. I suggest the same to you!

Produce-hen house? You have got to be sheetin me! I have been waiting for three years for you guys to come up with a single shred of substantial evidence to back your insane theories! What do you have to show after three years? Scooter libby, that indictment hangs by a thread. Delay, woopty doo, still workin on that one aren't ya! Come on, put up or shut up! You guys are pathetically predictable! You think you've convinced the country that Bush is a crook? How, were's the evidence? You haven't convinced anybody of anything other than your party's utter incompetence! I'll be rolling loolololololololol come election time!

Steve, your welcome! I just call them as I see them! I wouldn't expect any less from you!

The bloviator issued a challenge, to ".. get on google and do a bit of research and PRODUCE these untold "thousands" of documents to support your claim." Too bad he didn't do this himself, before mouthing off.

Google has plenty of references. This is from Wikipedia:

"Operation Iraqi Freedom Documents refers to some 55,000 boxes of documents, audiotapes and videotapes that may or may not have been produced by the government of Saddam Hussein and seized after the 2003 invasion of Iraq that the U.S. government is releasing on the internet. The documents date from the 1980s through the post-Saddam period. The U.S. government is requesting Arabic translators around the world to help in the translation. The documents can be found at the Foreign Military Studies Office Joint Reserve Intelligence Center website."

There is a lot of predictable hysteria about the plan to put the documents out for translation, lots of predictable claims that the absence of evidence in some areas is the same as evidence of absence for all time---it's a typical hodgepodge of pre-emptive denial of the meaning of anything found. But it is undeniable that the documents were found, and are being translated.

What is inescapable is the conviction, of the libs, that proof of the rightness of our actions would be bad for them. They would rather have the United States be wrong, waste lives, waste money, and make the world a more dangerous place, than have George W. Bush be correct in his assessment of the situation and his approach to dealing with it. What joy is there in chosing a belief system by which what is good for the country is bad for you? And vice versa, which is even sicker?