It's just more of the same. If Democrats took the energy they used hating Bush and finding ways to make the country a better place recognizing that Bush will be in that world, then they have a better than good chance of taking control of the House and Senate (for two years or so... this country won't have a Speaker Pelosi for more than that)...

I guess we're just lucky that they are at least currently still more self-destructive than the GOP. At least that's how I see it. Even though I will admit I am very worried about what is going on in Washington, DC right now.

Here's hoping more grassroots Democrats across the country think like the grassroots in Vermont.

"They've just been waiting for anything they think can be twisted and distorted into a reason that justifies impeachment."

Like getting a BJ in the Oval Office.

Oops. That was those "moral" Republicans. Carry on.

maf,
Why do you obsess over Clinton's sex life? this is, like the fifth time you've brought it up.

Give him a call; I’m sure he’d love to hear from you. And you can share your sex fantasy stories with him instead of us.

I believe Mr. Bush is the worst president ever. At least I hope it could not be any worse.

But I do not want to see him impeached. I would rather see Bush and his failure as a leader hung around the neck of every Republican. All the democrats who enabled this nightmare to go unchallenged should also wear this albatross.

Bush should remain where he is to further motivate Americans to get serious about democracy and political affairs.

Bush's approval at 36%......34 anyone.....oh 33 now.....

Get some real leaders in the White House and COongress, not these ignoramuses that use political positions to dole out looted public money to their wealthy donors.

Wade

mar53,

Apparently your historical revisionist friends have been successful in convincing you that President Clinton was impeached because he got a BJ in the Oval Office. In fact, his impeachment was based upon the fact that, when he took an oath to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth in a Federal Court of Law looking into the matter of sexual allegations (not with Monica, by the way), he lied. He lied under oath in a court of law. That's a felony.
But before you jump off and ask the perky "is that a high crime or misdemeanor?" question, the answer is - "Yes. A felony is worse than a misdemeanor."

Whether or not Bush lied about "insert your favorite tired catchphrase here" he hasn't done so in a court of law. In the court of public opinion, possibly. But not in a court of law.

What amuses me about the Vermont case cited above, is that the extremists in the Demublican party are falling victim to their own efforts. If they continue to howl at the moon about their grievances, they'll be showing themselves for what they are. And doing so won't be good for the Demublicans. They're at their best when they wear their mask of moderation. Revealing themselves to the American public too early will surely work against them.

So the ersatz leadership of the party are caught between a rock and a hard place. If they ignore their extremist base, the base will get louder and more raucous, thus ginning up the stakes outside of the control of the leadership. NOT a good thing if you're a party leader. If the leadership takes up the banner and runs with it, they'll be throwing their lot in with this part of the party at the risk of alienating the more moderate among them. (Is there really such a beast any more?). They further run the risk of energizing those among the Republicrats who are really ticked off at their party right now. Such an energizing will not help the Dems, and they know it. Their only hope is that they can slink around nice and sleazy for the next several months without revealing themselves or falling prey to their own dirty laundry (like Ms. Cynthia McKinny (D-Ga) and her infamous "Slap-gate" fiasco or Mr. William Jefferson (D-La) who is facing federal charges relating to ethics and wire fraud).

I can't wait to hear pretenders to the Presidency decry the President's efforts to keep al Qaeda at bay as "illegal." I want them to haul out the complete laundry list of accusations, half truths, and distortions, so the American public can once again rebuff their efforts to gain control of power so they can gain control of our pocketbooks again...

I say - to quote my favorite Commander-In-Chief, "Bring It On!!"

I've got lots more to say about these wacky politicians at my blogsite...

blog.danielbogdan.com

No you have it wrong Bane.
They forget what Clinton was impeached for. They think it was about sex. We know it was for obstruction of justice and perjury.

So to THEM... if Bush uses knowledge given to him by the CIA to explain to the American people his rationale for going to war, that's grounds for treason and a summary execution.

The truly scary bit is liberals/dems/Bush haters (and that's what they truly are, and if they say different are doing what Clinton got impeached for) seem to be shouting loud enough that people are thinking what they are saying is gospel truth.

It helps having the media on your side of course.
Here's hoping that we'll all wake up soon enough. And this goes to BOTH SIDES: There is a country to run, not an election to win.

Will,

Your comments are intriguing to me. On the one hand, you seem to indicate that you're tired of the same old litany from the extremists in the Demublican party. You seem to be calling for some sort of realignment of the party to be more rational and forward-thinking - even more civil in their discourse and vision for the future. I assume you would like to have the Dems back in power. But then you completely lost me in your comment about Nancy Pelosi. You almost seem averse to her leadership by stating that the country wouldn't have her for more than two years... Why not? Please elaborate your train of thought, won't you?

You then speak of your sense of unease over what's happening in Washington, D.C. I share that sense of anger and disgust, and have been very vocal about what angers and disgusts me in various posts in this forum. So exactly what is worrying you about the goings-on in DC?

Just when I thought you had me on your side, however, you seemed to deliberately tack back on your position that the Dems should attempt to realign themselves in a more rational, forward-thinking mode. So which is it?

"...If Democrats took the energy they used hating Bush and finding ways to make the country a better place...."

or

"Here's hoping more grassroots Democrats across the country think like the grassroots in Vermont..."?

Do you want them to moderate, or to pull out all the stops to impeach the President like the grassroots in Vermont are calling for?

Perhaps I misread the original post, or your comments. Please enlighten me...

Bane, wawillyo, they haven't forgotten what Slicky Blue Dress was impeached for. Most of them don't know; they rely on what they're fed by their masters. They won't be happy until they've had their revenge--this is all a big game of gotcha to them. They refuse to acknowledge the real threat. They've all but forgotten 9/11, and why we're fighting this war on terror.

Yes, Tom, you've forgotten 9/11...

I think keefer needs a 9/11 tatoo on his fat head. Kinda like the Scarlet Letter.

Wade, The only one close was Richard Nixon.

As if you're old enough to remember "Tricky Dick." Oh, I forgot, you and Barney are in the same class in elementary school. Must be that revisionist history.

I am very much a Pacific Northwest Republican in the vein of Mark Hatfield. I am more a fiscal conservative than a social one.

However... I'm in favor of getting stuff done. It's clear that the parties right now are more interested in keeping their power or gaining power instead of solving problems.

I am 100% opposed to a Speaker Pelosi, and I think the country would be, too. The only thing that is uniting the Democrat party is their desire for power (in my opinion). They don't seem to have one common thread that ties them together except a hatred for Bush. I think Pelosi couldn't hold her group together well enough to make them lead, they'd simply investigate Bush nonstop in a poor attempt at trying to "exorcise" the last six years of any progress made on any front.

I am worried that in DC today, they had a great chance to make a compromise on immigration that gave both sides part of what they wanted, the art of true compromise, but groups on both sides knew they wanted it as a campaign issue so it's still out there and we have yet one more problem that will get people on the streets acting fools. Just another nail in the coffin of any credibility people have for governmental institutions.

I am firmly encouraging the Democrats to stay the course with their desire to impeach Bush so that they show the American people exactly what they're about. Of course, it'd be great if they could fully participate in governing, but then again, if you don't have the ball, you can't take it home with you when you're unhappy with how things are going.

And finally... the first two times I ever voted for governor, I voted for a Democrat. He was willing to work with both sides and got things done. He believed that there was plenty of "victories" to go around. Politics wasn't about slash and burn like it is today. Soooooo many qualified people (me included if I may be so bold) would love to enter public service. But like hell I'm going to allow someone to call me all sorts of horrible things because I'm a Republican just because I am to the right of where they are standing. And I really do refuse to personally attack anyone for their political views as long as they are rationale.

I hope that makes sense dbogdan.

Will...didn't have my typekey today at work. (and wawilliyo)

I listened to Bernie Sanders on the radio the other day. He talked about how corrupt our government has become, literally a tool for special interests. While both parties are culpable, under the Republicans the "pay to play" order of the day has prevailed across the board. So, while anyone with a brain and some semblance of independent thinking knows that Bush deserves impeachment and trial as a war criminal, common sense tells us we need to work for reform first.

While I am not a Democrat, I have come to the conclusion that the Republican part is so messed up and completely corrupted that the house cleaning must start by returning the Dems to power this November. Only then is there any hope that we will see some efforts at campaign finance reform, a real debate about the war in Iraq, the obscene federal budget deficit, and other pressing issues.

Somehow I doubt that Democrats will be taking directions or advice from this blog. If anything, they should be encouraged by the fear of a Bush impeachment that is beginning to flow through the various threads here.

I also doubt that the Democratic leadership has any intention of promoting impeachment as a goal (or part of the party platform) for 2006. Realistically, just taking back Congress (even just one house) will effectively negate Mr. Bush for the remainder of his term -- and I suppose, that is the way the Democratic leadership sees it.

Because, however, the left doesn't march in lockstep with the party leadership (unlike the koolaid sipping parrots on the right), it is impossible to silence or control those in the trenches who would very-much like to see Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney receive their just deserts -- here or in the Hague.

Personally, I don't believe that there will be a sufficiently large Democratic majority in the Senate, after 2006, to actually convict and remove Mr. Bush from office, thus making impeachment more of a symbolic gesture than an actual attempt to remove him from office. I hold out no hope that the U.S. would ever allow a former president to be tried for war crimes (since a goodly chunk of Congress -- from both parties -- would have to join him in the dock).

Assuming the Democrats do sweep the Congress in 2006, they will be too tied up trying to undo the mischief that six years of GOP control have wrought on our country to engage in symbolic gestures. But hey, we can dream!

"...koolaid sipping parrots on the right..."!!!

Those must be the ones who rose en masse to demand the President withdraw the nomination of Harriet Miers to Supreme Court.

Those must be the ones who, against party leadership, made significant efforts (not totally sucessful) to trim spending in an effort to offset the high cost of Katrina disaster aid.

Those must be the ones who refused to go along with the "immigration reform" offered by Senator Frist and his band of backroom buddies.

Yeah... those wacky koolaid drinkers sure make me mad, too!!

Yeah, those are the ones.

The same ones who have had like three disagreements with the prez in over five years. The same ones who only disagree with him when he doesn't vere far enough into the right lane to please the lunatic fringe and the "National Review."

Read the posts at this blog -- bottoms up!