This is not even new to me--the information that Bush allowed Libby to "leak" had nothing to do with Plame, but if you listen to any of the lamestream media accounts, you get the impression that Bush said to Libby, "Make sure you tell Judith Miller that Valerie Plame, Joe Wilson's wife, is a covert CIA agent. Yeah, the one on the cover of Vanity Fair, riding around with that lying bastard Wilson."

You're right, Matt, its no big deal if the President approved the leaking of classified info. Just because the President (and you, for that matter) have said the leaking of classified info is a serious matter doesn't mean that its a serious matter when he does it. Sure, the President's father thought anyone who leaked classified info was a traitor, I'm sure he didn't mean his own son, right?

It must hurt having to be such a hypocrite.

The lead headline contradicts the body of the story. AP will have to correct this one. How come they make so many errors?

This is like the levy-topping/levy break story of a couple of months ago. AP had to correct it.

In addition, it has neither been proven that Plame was in fact covert, or that her position in the CIA (and the revelation thereof) had any impact whatsoever on national security.

Though it is proven that leaking her identity is illegal.

That being said, the information that was reportedly released—a document regarding Iraq's attempts to obtain uranium—the President has the authority to declassify information anyways, so, whether or not classified information was leaked in this case is a moot point.

So, why did Scooter Libby quit his job?

Just another case of Democrats And some federal prosecutors trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

So, I guess Bush was lying when he said he would fire anyone who leaked the idenity of Valerie Plame? You say "President Bush approved the leaking of intelligence information to the media", but it doesn't say that the intelligence info was related to Plame. Though I'm sure you will admit that Patrick Fitzgerald is infact investigating Valerie Plame.

It may be illegal only if she was a classified agent. However, this is not why Libbey was charged. He was charged with lying to Federal agents, specifically the FBI. Fitzgerald has backtracked on whether she was a classified agent.

The AP false story is an outright lie. The headline does not match the meat of the story. They only released exerpts of the Consensus view by the intelligence agencies on Iraqi WMD, which wich was part of the intelligence estimate. This was subsequently made public or declassified within a few days.

tina, Cheney and Bush had the authority to declassify the information.

Don't waste your time with Slippy; he's a waste...

Keefer, I know. Thanks for the advice.

In 1995, Clinton revealed Iraq's ties with al Qaeda to promote political support for his attack against the al Shifa pharmaceutical plant near Khartum in 1995 - including the fact that the CIA conducted covert soil samples near that Sudanese plant.

In 1963, JFK revealed near real-tie imagery of Soviet medium range ballistic missile sites under construction in Cuba to promote political support for his naval blockade against Cuba.

In 1991, George HW Bush revealed that fact the the US was able to predect SCUD-III missile launches by Iraq in order to calm public tension over those attacks. Bush also revealed PATRIOT missile deployments to Israel for the same political reasons.

When will the libtards put down the Kool-Aid and pick up a history book?

In 1980, President Carter revealed the failed bid to rescue hostages in in 1980 that resulted in the deaths of 8 US service members.

In 1981, President Regean revealed US naval aviation clashes with the Lybian Air Force over the Gulf of Sidra.

I'm too young to cite Ford, Nixon and LBJ instances. Maybe someone older or wiser can point them out for me.

Okay, I don't get Tina's claim that the story's headline contradicts the body of the article. It says Cheney Aide Says Bush OK'd Leak. And that's what the story was about -- leaking intelligence info, not outing a CIA agent.

And to be perfectly accurate, there is no indication to what extent the information referred to in Fitzgerald's brief (which you can find here, by the way) refers to anything in the redacted version of the NIE paper that was made public days later. I think you doth assume too much, Tina.

Basically, we don't know a whole lot of anything at this point. The only potential new thing we know is that Libby has indicated Bush himself, through Cheney, authorized him, and perhaps others, to leak previously classified information to reporters. That strikes me as kind of explosive all by itself. As I understand it, that's not the normal procedure for declassifying previously classified information. It might not be patently illegal, but it may very well get into the realm of unethical.

But apart from that, we don't know the nature of the information, how it specifically related to Plame, what the motive for the leak was, or even if it's freakin' true!

Frankly, I hope it's not true. This is not good. It smacks of a subterranean media ploy on a very, very important issue. It should have been handled differently. Please say it ain't true, W!

So what, they show up at 250 million odd houses and say to the residents, "Oh, by the way..." Bush was trying to show the media that Wilson was lying in his NYT editorial. In order to do that he provided them with information from a previously classified intel estimate about a government that no longer existed.

"And if there is a leak out of my administration, I want to know who it is. And if the person has violated law, the person will be taken care of."

George W Bush

Oh yeeeessss...he WILL be taken care of.

There was no leak, you liberal numbskulls.

Dimwits: Plame was never even outed. Everybody knew who she was. She "outed" herself long before any of this supposedly took place.

All this is is the latest in a long long series of phony scandals that the leftwing media and democrats are trying to pin on Bush. They are still down in the mud that Clinton dragged them into. They want desperately to drag conservatives into the mud with them. That is why they are relentlessly making up new garbage to accuse Bush of.

Has anyone heard from Noonan tonight? I hope he hasn't like jumped off a bridge or anything. Mark, dude, I know things are very bleak right now, but just think: no more than three years left.

Are you guys really ok with this kind of behavior from your president? Why are you all sitting around trying to justify the actions of this administration? Wether you think he outed Plame or even if the act was criminal the fact remains that Bush is a bald faced liar! A word of advice, You all look ridiculous spinning like out of control tops. C'mon... some things are just indefensible. Just deal with it!

A lot of people have been saying that the president has the authority to declassify any document he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants. Can anybody support this claim? Is there some sort of process involved?

Cylinder, do you have evidence that the inforamtion involved in these disclosures did or did not go through a standard (for lack of a better word) declassification process?

Let's not forget that revealing the identity of a classified CIA agent is like putting a sign on their back that says "Shoot Here". In the 70's the identities of CIA agents operating around the world were leaked. Some of these agents, as a result, ended up dead. The issue in the Plame case, as I see it, is not national security but the government's duty to protect the lives of its classified agents in part by protecting their identities.

Ash, OCD, are you guys good looking seventeen year old blonds that go to high school in hollywood! Get a friggin clue kids! we are getting a little tired of bending you over our knees and spanking you!!!

Are you guys really ok with this kind of behavior from your president?Posted by: OCDDAVID at April 7, 2006 12:55 AM

I think I heared it repeated on CNN of all places at least a dozen times that there is no legal presidence in this case! Like I said get a clue!

Ash, I suggest you get used to the bleakness bud! The republican party may get bitch/slapped soon, but it WILL NOT be by the useless/gutless democrat/lefty party!!! It will however be by it's own constituents!

A lot of people have been saying that the president has the authority to declassify any document he wants, whenever he wants, however he wants. Can anybody support this claim?

For starters, try 18 USC §798:

The term “unauthorized person” means any person who, or agency which, is not authorized to receive information of the categories set forth in subsection (a) of this section, by the President, or by the head of a department or agency of the United States Government which is expressly designated by the President to engage in communication intelligence activities for the United States.

In other words, it is legal for anyone to release classified to any person designated by the President.

Is there some sort of process involved?

Not really any process for the President other than his order or the order of his designee. You'll have to read Executive Order 13292 for specific details.

It is presumed that information that continues to meet the classification requirements under this order requires continued protection. In some exceptional cases, however, the need to protect such information may be outweighed by the public interest in disclosure of the information, and in these cases the information should be declassified. When such questions arise, they shall be referred to the agency head or the senior agency official. That official will determine, as an exercise of discretion, whether the public interest in disclosure outweighs the damage to the national security that might reasonably be expected from disclosure.

Further sections describe procedures for marking and auditing of declassified materials.

Cylinder, do you have evidence that the information involved in these disclosures did or did not go through a standard (for lack of a better word) declassification process?

From the narrative described in news reports, standard procedures were followed. Libby questioned the legality of disclosing information from the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq and was assured by the Vice President that the disclosure was authorized by the President. The Vice President had previously been designated with this authority as well and White House council signed off on the legality of the disclosure.

Let's not forget that revealing the identity of a classified CIA agent is like putting a sign on their back that says "Shoot Here".

There is no evidence that suggests the President or Vice President authorized the disclosure of Ms. Plame's identity as a CIA operative. The information provided by the special prosecutor only reveals that the President through the Vice President authorized the disclosure of certain parts of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq.

In the 70's the identities of CIA agents operating around the world were leaked.

There is no evidence that suggests the President or Vice President authorized the disclosure of Ms. Plame's identity as a CIA operative. The information provided by the special prosecutor only reveals that the President through the Vice President authorized the disclosure of certain parts of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq.

The issue in the Plame case, as I see it, is not national security but the government's duty to protect the lives of its classified agents in part by protecting their identities.

There is no evidence that suggests the President or Vice President authorized the disclosure of Ms. Plame's identity as a CIA operative. The information provided by the special prosecutor only reveals that the President through the Vice President authorized the disclosure of certain parts of the National Intelligence Estimate on Iraq.

Drip, drip, drip, drip, drip.....the constant day after day after day revelations of not telling the 'whole' truth to the American people will continue to have it's effect on the White House. At the present rate of drips, it won't be long at all before George is such a lame duck he'll be lucky to get out of Washington with any feathers.

Just picture January of next year, with the Dem's taking control of the Judicary, Ethics, Intelligence, Commerce, Energy committee's. The ratings for C-Span will go thru the roof.

This is true Americana, not as good as the '60's and tricky Dick but the potential for a great couple of years exists. Pretty high drama.

Let's round up the usual suspects and swear them in under oath and ask: What did you know - when did you know it.

Joe,

It is the leftwing hope and dream...to impeach President Bush rather than, say, fight the enemy or even so much as reform social security for the American people. We on the right know how hatred has become the be-all and end-all of leftwing existence these days.

Unfortunately for you, you are doomed to disappoinment. You see, the American people never have liked the nattering nabobs of negativism, and they won't like them this November, either.

"We killed the PATRIOT Act."
Harry Reid

Man - I just cannot wait to see those commercials. I mean - really - do you follow that with Durbin comparing US trrops to Nazis or Kerry accusing them of terrorism?

The blog misses the point. The Plame case and the fact that Bush authorized cherry picked information to be released to support his case for the war are two very different things. If Libby is telling the truth then Bush declassified only materials that supported his case for the war while waiting until later to declassify materials in the same documents that did not support his case for the war. In other words, Bush DID mislead the American people if Libby is telling the truth. This is not a legal problem, but it is a tremendous political problem. Bush needs to speak up now.

Put it this way: Bush could have legally declassified all of the materials at issued and released them to the media. Instead he only declassified a portion of the documents and had Libby release the information to select reporters. Why would he do that?

To instill some perspective into this discussion, let’s undertake a quick reprise. First, Wilson and Plame are Clinton liberals of the X-treme variety, so much so that even the Kerry campaign found Wilson an embarrassment and fired him.

Second, the import of the Novak story was that the trip to Niger was a family boondoggle arranged by Plame (using the “requested” investigation as an excuse to take hubby along on the trip) rather than a legitimate inquiry, thus implying that Wilson’s report was more a liberal’s partisan attempt to undermine the president rather than an objective in-depth investigation into the reports of uranium sales. In other words, it was a rebuttal to Wilson’s false assertions printed In the New York Times.
Third, Ms. Plame, could never qualify as a covert agent, having been relegated to mundane desk work for the last nine years of her career. The Democrats’ caterwauling accusations that she was endangered by Novak’s revelations were so comic that even the special prosecutor which they demanded took no action against him or any administration official on these grounds.
Fourth, under these circumstances, there being no crime, there were no justifiable grounds for appointing a special prosecutor. One was appointed because of the Democrat’s hue and cry. The just irony here is that the investigation which was fomented by the left and intended to discredit Novak and administration officials wound up snaring two lefty reporters on contempt charges.

This investigation should have been centered on whether Mr. Wilson broke any laws by divulging the content of sensitive CIA data, and whether he and his wife have conspired to misrepresent his official report and misuse the CIA for partisan political purposes. Throw in the nepotistic family boondoggle at taxpayers’ expense (although Wilson was not paid for his “investigative services“) and you have the gist of a legitimate indictment against the Wilsons.

Also, your observations regarding the Democrat’s lack of indignation over the New York Times revelation of the NSA surveillance operation is spot on. There is a legitimate question as to whether the NYT (Bill Keller, James Risen, Eric Lichtblau) should be prosecuted under section 798 of the Espionage Act of 1917, but you will certainly never hear this discussion from the selectively sanctimonious left.

Characterizing Joe Wilson as a victim simply continued the liberal Democrat tradition of fabricating “victims” out of whole cloth, and served their purpose of manufacturing yet another “crisis” of the month. Libby is just another sacrificial lamb to the liberal’s obsession with overthrowing Bush, and his indictment represented small consolation for their loss on this one.

Mark

It's all about the rule of law.

It is not about quoting a disgraced Republican vice president.

Nor is it about questions as to why/how George started WW III

It's also not a matter about either my or your disappointments in life.

It's about the truth, our right to know the truth. The WHOLE truth. If our leader can't come clean, then he should be made to swear under oath.

I understand you and those still under the influence of the kool-aid don't see the trees in the forest yet, but just take a look around. Despite how you try to spin it, the trend is down since 9/11 with absolutely zero hope in sight. If George Bush was a stock would you invest in him?

Quack, quack, quack, that's the only sound George W. Bush is making.

It's all about the rule of law.

The law is clear and the President operated well within it. If the President does not have the authority to declass an outdated NIE, why no complaints in 2004 when he did the same for the intel committees' investigations of pre-war intelligence.

Do you agree that Clinton, Carter and JFK broke the same laws by releasing classified for political purposes?

If the democrats want to criticize the President for "leaking" classified information let them do it - he has the right and the authority and this whole thing with the NYT and the leaking of the NSA program will just blow up in their face.

Mark, you know what possible satisfaction can we get from impeaching the nitwit. Our hope is to survive the next 3 years without having to take it to the streets. We just can't take too much more of the honor your boy has restored to the office.

and now a word from Mr. Hyde
I love my country and my flag, I think those that disagree should leave and those that don't support my president are traitors. I think we should stand for freedom everywhere and if we have to kill people to give them freedom - well freedom has always come with a high price. We should support our brave troops in harms way and never let anybody say anything that might cause them harm. If it weren't for clinton we would never be in this mess.

Hey, I just discovered this drivel is pretty easy to spout and hey just kidding about loving my country and my flag.

There's no scandal here. AP just got it wrong. They'll have to revise the story - probably at 6PM tonite. The release of once classified information is allowed by any President. That is not a leak. The alleged leak in question has to do with the Intelligence Assessment, which was released by the Admin. It has nothing to do with leaking the name of a classified agent, or releasing the name of Plame. That is why the story cited by AP and others is wrong. See NY Times Article, which is somewhat more on the ball.

But apart from that, we don't know the nature of the information, how it specifically related to Plame, what the motive for the leak was, or even if it's freakin' true.

Rincon, your statement is in-accu-rut. You can not leak information that is no longer classified. It was being released to the general public. That's why the AP story in not correct. The alleged non-leak in question has to do with the release of the Intelligence Estimate (or parts of it. In short, this information went public. It has nothing to do with releasing the name of an agent, or Valerie Plame. Read the body of the story, and do some research.

The story here is that Bush is once again dishonest with the American people. He's always spoken about leaks like they were lepresy. He didn't want them in his administration and anyone found to have leaked information would be gone.

Now it turns out he may have orchestrated these leaks. One of which may have outed a CIA agent.

At this point, Bush has very little credibility.

Once a document is unclassified, it can no longer be considered 'leaked'. That means it can be distributed to a reporter or group of reporters, or simply be left up to the reporters to obtain a copy on their own.

If you want to get technical about it, yes, Hermie. Technically, the president can't leak any because he has to power to declassify whatever he wants"

"Fitzgerald said Libby told him it "was the only time he recalled in his government experience when he disclosed a document to a reporter that was effectively declassified by virtue of the president's authorization that it be disclosed."

But this is a leak as far as what everyone understands a leak to be. The president took classified information and OK'd it's dissemination to reporters. Exactly the practice Bush has railed against since he was in office. He even spoke harshly of these leaks that he alledgedly OK'd, even launching a criminal investigation into them:

"In 2003, when the public furor erupted over the disclosure of a CIA operative's status, Bush said he wanted to get to the bottom of the affair. "I want to know the truth," he said at the time.

Libby's testimony puts the president and the vice president in the awkward position of authorizing leaks. Both men have long said they abhor such practices, so much so that the administration has put in motion criminal investigations at their behest to hunt down leakers."

If what Libby leaked wasn't "a leak," why did Bush have Aschroft investigate this matter and why did he say the leaker would be "taken care of?"

This "it wasn't a leak because Bush declassified it" defense isn't gonna fly with the American people. And if it turns out Plame was a covert agent and was outed by this leak... look out.

I'm not sure how many of you liberals ever got close to classified information. I suspect as un-American as some of you are, you didn't get real close. It's obvious by your complete lack of knowledge.

The President did not leak information harmful to PLame. He did not authorize leaking her name. That is what this whole thing was about in the first place. All administrations leak information ssometimes. When Bush said he he would go after the leaker he was specifically talking about outing Plame.

You don't even know if what was leaked was initially considered classified. Many classified documents are made up of unclassified material. It might be one paragraph out of several pages that would classify a whole document.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE HE AUTHORIZED LEAKING INFORMATION ABOUT PLAME! That is the original complaint. Why are you trying to make this into something it isn't?

VW

VW,

As I said in an earlier post, this is a story because Bush has railed against leakers. He's been very outspoken in his attacks on those who leak information.

Now, according to Libby, he OK'd leaking information to the press. That's the story.

If this information was de-classified and OKed for dissemination, why did Rove and Libby insist on being IDed as anonymous sources?

And actually, I was wrong. Technically it still is a leak, even if Bush declassified the informtion.

The definition of a leak is:

2 : to give out (information) surreptitiously

http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/Leak

So we find out today that Bush personally authorized leaking sensitive intelligence information for political reasons.

Explain to me again how we can trust that this President has not used his NSA program, that has no oversight, to wiretap Americans for political reasons?

I love the spin. The nuance argument that it is not a leak if the President does it is sooo republican.

If the NIE intelligence was declassified by the President, and was open to the public, than why didn’t Judi Miller say in her articles regarding Niger and the aluminum tubes the source of the data was the White House? If you read the articles, she uses the “unnamed senior administration official” If the information is public, why the secrecy?

The American people do like getting lied to, or a President that places politics over national policy.

You know what the best part is? For the next nine months+ the President will be hounded by this, and all he will say is: “We don’t comment on ongoing investigation”.

He has railed about unauthorized leaks. All administrtaions "leak" when it's advantagious. And he specifically meant the outing of plame in this case.
Nothing illegal or unethical was done.

You'd think he gave classified information to China...er wait, that was your boy Clinton. Never mind. You'd think he stuffed the most sensitive and highly classified material into his pants and walked out of thge National Archives with them...no... that was your boy Berger.

Much ado about nothing. The story will die by today or tomorrow and it will be onto the next imagined scandal.

VW

So Bush has railed against leaking classified information. They are bad things.

Then, he takes classified information and declassifies specifically so it can be leaked (alledgedly). To me, that's basically leaking classified information. I think it will be seen that way to most Americans.

And if it turns out Plame's covert status was expose through those authorized leaks, Bush has a big problem on his hands.

This story has legs, at least until Fitzgerald's investigation is over. It COULD turn out very badly for Bush...

That is fantastic VW... bring up Clinton. Did you know the post is about BUSH, not Clinton? Did you run out of other ways to spin this?

As stated before... legal or illegal, is this ethical behavior for the leader of the free world?

Keep spinning, maybe everyone will get dizzy enough to believe your spins.

I'm not sure how many of you liberals ever got close to classified information. I suspect as un-American as some of you are, you didn't get real close. It's obvious by your complete lack of knowledge.

Posted by: Violence Worker at April 7, 2006 08:48 AM

THIS statement of yours is right on the mark VW! I know quite a few ex- & current intell & S.F.! I guarantee the only liberal intelligence gatherers are the one who hide it well! They usually have some anti-American anti-democracy agenda also!

S..t out of luck, We are not the professional spin doctors, we never have been & unless the MSM make a dramatic switch to our side of things(ea, right) the general perception will continue as is! Maybe if you guys had a clear-cut agenda that would do something other than destroy America, you would win A election! In the meantime we'll let you guys hash it out between yourselves wether G.B. is ethical or not!

It's already turning out badly for Bush. It is a bit ironic that after the public has shown so little interest in the myriad "impeachable" offenses of this administration that a move that was arguably legal could destroy the last bit of credibility they have.

I was surprised by the number of people -- nonpolitical people -- that were talking about this the other day. It was like they just realized what this president is really all about. This story has more legs than I would have ever imagined.

Of course the Koolaid drinkers won't be bothered by any of this, the beast is (and always will be) immacualte in their eyes. The left won't be overly bothered either -- we always understood Bush. No -- the real damage here is to those folks who actually believed that something beyond tooth-and-nail politics drove this administration.

That belief is probably laid to rest once and for all -- the Bush team has been exposed -- it's not a pretty sight.

And bearman pulls out the good ol' Republican standby.... call the opposition names and un-American.

Weather you believe everything is legal or illegal, how many "QUESTIONABLE" things does it take before you say... "ok Pres, what the hell is going on there?"

I won't even say illegal things. Just QUESTIONABLY LEGAL things.

"At this point, Bush has very little credibility."

....and you could put all of it in a thimble.

How can anyone (bearmanusmc excepted) believe anything this man says?

While I accept the LA Times explanation that the declassification is in all probability perfectly legal, since when is that the only hurdle conservatives should achieve?

I thought Gore should have been held accountable over the “no controlling legal authority” disarray. I thought Clinton sidestepped many landmines because he was “technically” within the law.

Mr. Bush has some ‘splainin’ to do. And I don’t want to hear that the “law” gives him the right; what about the responsibility? There is a higher standard we should hold that office to, and I’m waiting to hear that Mr. Bush met that standard.

I think the "Plame" part of this is a comical side-story.

All of you libs are delusional. You have constructed this weird alternate world that separates you from reality. None of what you believe is true. You can't see that this is just the latest ginned up (fake) scandal and that the Bush admin are nowhere near who you think they are. You believe all the negative tripe about the Bush admin and that is your problem. You are a bunch of believers. Only now, you are so invested in this garbage that you have been swallowing that you are essentially mind-numbed cult members. I fear that some whacked out leader of yours will suggest mass suicide. Many of you are such zombies that you would go along... Sad.

Open your eyes. The Bush admin is not the enemy. They are the good guys and Bush is a good, honest man.

To the likes of Cylinder and VW:

My original post in no way speaks of the source of the Plame leaks. What I actually said was that leaking a classified agent's identity puts his life at risk, independent of source. Supposing however that the president did declassify such information, the legality of such a declassification would not absolve him of any ethical wrongdoing.

(Please take note of my supposition. VW: Make sure you know what that means before you decide to throw a clot.)

NDinformater:

Wow. All I can think of to say is wow. At least we now know where 1 of the 6 people still buying into this administrations culture of corruption is.

Or is that you Scottie McClellan posing as NDinformer?

NDinformer:

sorry about mistyping your name, it was a fine motor skill mistake. Or my mind has been possessed by keefer.

Ash, lol... that's okay. You seem shocked, what with typing "wow" twice... I know that the truth can be jarring if you are not used to reading it or considering it.

Well I guess I mispell and mispeak. My wows were meant to convey disbelief that there is still someone buying into that philosopy.

Hopefully the truth will win out. Whatever the truth is is.

Ash, There was a time when I had disbelief that the liberals actually beleived all the tripe that they were spouting. That time was long ago. Now I am used to it. I'm not shocked any more. The negative, poisoned point of views of the left continue to this day, unabated. There doesn't seem to be anything anybody can do or say to bring any sense to liberals. Hence I have concluded that they are living in their own alternate reality, just like members of a cult.

And bearman pulls out the good ol' Republican standby.... call the opposition names and un-American.

If the shoe fits SOL!

Weather you believe everything is legal or illegal, how many "QUESTIONABLE" things does it take before you say... "ok Pres, what the hell is going on there?"

You don't know what the hell I've been saying over the last five years!!! The big dif is, I didn't start as a liberal Bush hater, and I'm not prepared to annihalate this country for some mistakes and misteps! You guys are so sure of yourselves! You need to pull your heads out!!! You are the only people in the world standing at the top of the mountain shouting impeachment & other hateful rhetoric in front of the whole world! I don't agree with everything the admin. has done, but that is where the BIG FAT HATEFUL PREJUDICE called liberalism shines forth! You guys just keep doing what your doing, it'll WORK, for us that is!!!

I won't even say illegal things. Just QUESTIONABLY LEGAL things.

If that was what you were saying from the beginning, we probably would have listened and given you some(little bit) credibility! Your hate shines thru most of all!!!

Posted by: Sick of Lies at April 7, 2006 10:58 AM

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"At this point, Bush has very little credibility."

....and you could put all of it in a thimble.

How can anyone (bearmanusmc excepted) believe anything this man says?

Posted by: DeeCee at April 7, 2006 11:29 AM

Ummmm.......look around you DC. Bush still has his 40% faithful, patriotic Americans! There is still plenty of time to show the world the truth about you & yours and regain that STOLEN credibility! When that happens and your numbers dwindle to your 20% hardcore libs, we'll see whose laughing then! You know, anyone with a quarter of a brain knows this story is being told with spin and was only brought to light for one purpose & one purpose only! "To screw with the Presidents poll numbers"! Like I said to SOL, keep up the good work. I think your doing a great job of screwing yourselves & your party!!!

Just thinking out load here,
Let’s see, if the population is 282 million, and according to Realclearpolitics.com 38% approve of Bush, that’s 107 million, isn’t that more than voted for Bill Clinton?
Never mind, carry on …

Naaaaaaaaaa, we don't like logic around here Bane! I prefer emotional bias like DC's & SOL. I mean according to them I'm the only one left that believes the pres. Didn't you know that Bane!

It's a sinking ship, Bearman - join all the other rats and abandon as fast as you can!

All those lies are catching up with Bush, finally. Open your eyes. The man is a reckless moron. All the surface charm in the world can't hide that. But you, Bearman, seem to be still getting suckered in. I pity you.

What?
I'm sorry … I was so busy counting up my tax breaks I've made during this Bush Economic Boom I wasn't listening. Right now I’ve got to get out there with my VRWC buddies and poison the water and feed dog food to the elderly.

(ObL is in my garage, I’m holding him to spring him just before the election.)

Btw, isn’t it great how we managed to get Karl Rove off the hook for “outing” Plame, those dopey democrats never caught on. Too dern funny!

Maf, your right! The ship is sinking, FAST! Thing is, I'd like to be nice and advice you to abandon ship, bbbbbuuuuuuttttttttt then again, I'm not feeling particularly nice these days, ya know with this concerted effort by the left to undermind & demoralize the American people! Like I keep saying, keep it up! There are enough smart people left in this country to stomp you guys again(2006)! But, don't let me bust your balls, read these polls any way you see fit! That's what your good at anyways!

"Naaaaaaaaaa, we don't like logic around here Bane!"

I'd hope not. Since I believe less than half of the US population votes, the logic in that statement is very flawed.

Tom of all the lib trolls on this site I think your one of the few with the common sense enough to know the point Bane was making! Or maybe I was mistaken, your rhetoric has inched up a few notches lately! Are you buying into the G.B. = Hitler/ wants to take over the world theory yet?

Why arn't all the Libs who are such experts here, on all subjects, in Washington? How have we lived so long with out this vast knowledge and open, honest and balanced hate?