Stuff for you to ponder. Nice site.

http://republicanbest.blogspot.com/

"...we could have made this a definitive clash of civilizations and a bloody fight to the death between Islam and the West."

It is a clash of civilizations between Islam and the West. France is an example of this. We didn't make it one. They did. But, President Bush has chosen the best way to fight this war between Western Civilization and Islamic Civilization. President Bush, as you stated, has chosen to fight Islam by spreading freedom and democracy throughout the Islamic world (and elsewhere!). President Bush took the high road and chose the most effective weapon against Islamic tryanny...freedom.
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This war between civilizations is taking place right here in America. Here's the latest example:

Islamic leader with Terrorist Ties Arrested in Ohio
"Federal authorities arrested an Islamic religious leader Friday as they began the process of deporting him for lying about ties to terrorist groups.

Imam Fawaz Damra, the spiritual leader of Ohio’s largest mosque, was convicted in June 2004 of concealing ties to three groups that the U.S. government classifies as terrorist organizations when he applied for U.S. citizenship in 1994. ...

The Palestinian-born Damra, who is the imam, or spiritual leader, at the Islamic Center of Cleveland, immigrated to the United States in the mid-1980s.

In Damra’s trial last year, prosecutors showed video footage of Damra and other Islamic leaders raising money for an arm of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which has been listed as a major terrorist group by the State Department since 1989.

Jurors also were shown footage in which Damra called Jews “the sons of monkeys and pigs” during a 1991 speech and said “terrorism and terrorism alone is the path to liberation” in a 1989 speech.
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This guy is disgusting. He's been here preaching hate, racism, violence and other depravities for years-right here in the heart of America. People need to realize that we are in a Global War on Islam and it is a clash of civilizations.

Freedom,

I'll dissent from you, at least for now...I want this a fight between humanity and the inhumane...I don't want to fight Islam.

Probably President Bush has some reason to go ahead in this difficult path.

I do not believe in a clash of civilizatios, thought in Argentina something happened that was definitely not right (AMIA).

may be I am not fully informed about what is going on in the world. I live in Chile.

The other part of this is to be able to see the whole is the some of its parts. A visionary can see the whole, the Democrats concentrate on the parts and loose faith if a part is hard, they want to throw away the whole. It must be so damn hard for the President to keep his eye on the vision with the relentless harping and hyping every little difficulty that is encountered day by day. The bigger picture is that if democracy doesn't work we are doomed to never ending savagery This struggle is worth everything we can possible do to help it succeed. Faith, hope, vision and guts would be so helpful.

"In 1998, for example, when the Clinton Justice Department indicted bin Laden, the writ read: 'In addition, al-Qaida reached an understanding with the Government of Iraq that al-Qaida would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, al-Qaida would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.'"

Something within me wants to jump up and scream: "CLINTON LIED! CLINTON LIED!" But I shall refrain.

We were attacked on 9/11 by 18 Saudi's and 1 Egyptian.
There were no Iraq's on any of the flights and to imply otherwise is wrong.
The 9/11 commission also did not find the direct link.
To say or imply otherwise is simply not true.
-Joe

How many times must I write this? Osama and Saddam hated each other. They would never cooperate with each other. It is documented that Osama had been trying to motivate the people of Iraq to revolt since the 1980's. Osama hated Saddam because Saddam killed Muslims.
Saddam hated Osama because he saw him as a threat to his secular government. Saddam sent spies to infiltrate al-Quaida. This is all known! They were mortal enemies. Bush did Osama a favor by deposing Saddam. Now Iraq will be a fanatical Muslim theocracy just like Osama always wanted.

The democrats lose the house vote for immediate withdrawal 403-3. I wonder if the dems are gonna demand a recount!!

"...I don't want to fight Islam."-Mark

I know. But, Islam wants to fight you (since you are an infidel). France, England, the Netherlands, and Belgium are getting hit hard as we speak by Islamists. As I've said before, I know that I cannot convince you, but I'm still going to try by posting information on the truth about Islam when it is appropriate to the topic being discussed (assuming I don't get banned for doing that). I report you decide.

Anyway, six months after 9/11-after listening to the deafening silence from the "majority of the world's Muslims" in condemning the 9/11 attacks-I began researching Islam. I wanted to know the answer to one question-is God of the Bible the same as Allah of Islam? The answer is NO. Allah is NOT God. If you have a few minutes free, please read this: Allah Had No Son (It's simple in presentation, but it is the truth about Islam.)

You can verify the information with this scholarly, archaeological evidence (skip down to section "C"): The True Origin of Allah: the Archaeological Record Speaks

Just for fun: The Pagan Sources of Islam

I don't know which is funnier, being thankful Bush is a "Christian in fact as well as name" or describing anything that moron does as "well thougt out" or "flash of genius".

Tell me this is a parody.

Please.

"But, Islam wants to fight you (since you are an infidel). France, England, the Netherlands, and Belgium are getting hit hard as we speak by Islamists."

What makes you think they're islamists, rather than just hip-hop ;ower class youth?

Joe,

Does anything in the post say that there were Iraqis on the flights or that Saddam had a hand in 9/11? No - and you know full well that it doesn't say that. You're bringing forward a red herring here...saying that since Saddam had no part in 9/11, he therefore had no part with the enemy.

Well, you're wrong if you believe that...Saddam was hip deep in terrorism, and bin Laden was working with him.

Christian,

You can write it as many times as you like, but that will not make it true...Hitler and Stalin hated each other, too. Haven't you heard the phrase "the enemy of my enemy is my friend"? Osama would have overthrown Saddam's regime and installed a theocracy if he could, and Saddam would have had Osama's head on a pike if he thought it necessary...but both of them had a larger issue to deal with: the United States of America.

Saddam wanted to hit us back for 1991 and Osama wanted to hit us...and by using Osama to hit us, Saddam maintained deniability, especially during the Clinton Administration when we took a pettifogging, legalistic approach to fighting terrorism. Saddam and Osama never reckoned on a President Bush who would not narrowly attack the hornets, but would go after the nests.

Ths post is fascinating in its incorrectness--you manage to take a swing at and miss several targets, Mark, and somehow meander from "Saddam and Osama were buddies" to some tripe about how the left doesn't have god on its side and is therefore lost.

By the way, what's your spin of choice to try to explain away Bush Informed in 2001 of Lack of Iraq-al Qaeda Ties? My gut tells me you'll trot out the good ol' "liberal media bias" card because that's your typical "I'm wrong and don't want to admit it" play.

Christian Wright:

Don't you find something odd about your statement? ("Osama hated Saddam because Saddam killed Muslims.")

If not you need to ask yourself this question: How many Muslims have Osama and his followers killed?

I guess the simple answer would be Osama hates himself.

Good one Marc,
C.W. & Joe, you guys conveniently forget the speach president George W. Bush(our fearless, godfearing leader, regardless of the fact that you hate it.), gave from the pile of rubble where the W.T.C. towers once stood. He made several references of being committed to carrying out a war on the terrorist directly & indirectly involved and any COUNTRIES involved in aiding & abbetting the terrorists. He NEVER said he would only go after Osama bin ladled and Al- Quaeda, much to your chagrin. I hate to say it guys, but regardless of a direct link, there is plenty of evidence of Sadaam giving assylum to known terrorist in multiple terror groups including Al-quaeda, Hamas, PLO, and many others. Also Sadaam was KNOWN for financially supporting the palestinian terrorist in their attacks on INNOCENT Israelis. And the fact that you libs don't think they are terrorists but freedom fighters makes anything and everything that you have to say on this thread irrelivent. Oh well, sorry guys, you lose again, but I'm sure your starting to get used to that.

I think Bush should resign and become President of Iraq. He is obviously willing to break this country economically,financially,socially and
politically for an idea. While he is there he could learn something about the history of that region and come to realize that it is a long one of hatred and fear. He could strap on his six guns
and pick up where Saddam left off. Though Bill Clinton will probably get blamed for anything Bush screws up over there as well. It is iteresting that Clinton's current approval rating remains higher than that of Bush,Cheney and Rumsfields... combined. Now that's what I call a Mandate...

Marc: The only Muslims Osama kills are traitors, those that collaborate with the occupation forces.

You would do the same if Americans were collaborating with occupation forces in your town.

Mark,

Your innocence and ignorance is astonishing!

Polo,

Only God can tell how innocent I am, but you are right about one thing - the more I learn, the more astonished I am at my ignorance. I prefer to understand what I don't know and not presume to impossible knowledge.

On the other hand, the things I do know about military affairs, politics and economics are tell me that Iraq has been a stunning success and that we owe it largely to the superb leadership shown by President Bush over the past five years.

Christian,

So, those east Africans Osama butchered were collaborationists? With whom were they collaborating?

Sees,

Well there is the liberal bias in the report, but not in the way you think.

This report states that on September 21st, 2001 President Bush was advised that Saddam likely had no hand in 9/11...something no one really disputes because no evidence has come up since 9/11 to indicate that Saddam had a hand in it...but the facts are clear, for at last three years prior to 9/11 (and perhaps as many as 10), Saddam and al-Qaida were in contact and at least assisted each other in certain areas.

What you're trying to do, and the MSM report is also trying to do, is say that because there was no Saddamite hand in 9/11 then there must have been no Saddamite hand in al-Qaida at all...this is a position unsupported by facts or logic, as Hanson notes in his piece. The evidence is overwhelming, Sees, and perhaps what you might want to see through is the leftwing fog of lies and half-truths about the War on Terrorism.

"But, Islam wants to fight you (since you are an infidel). France, England, the Netherlands, and Belgium are getting hit hard as we speak by Islamists."

What makes you think they're islamists, rather than just hip-hop ;ower class youth?

Posted by: shortz
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France: Militant Islam in the French Workplace

Steyn: Early Skirmish in the Eurabian Civil War

French Riots-"Each Night we make this place Baghdad!"

French Rioting Spreads to 300 Towns, 1,400 Vehicles Torched

French Riots comes after Multiple Warnings of Islamic Attacks

England: Radical Islam Rises among young Britons

Honor Killing in London

British Honor Killing Watch

London Islamist: No Civilians Under Islamic Law

"Mohammed" is One of Top Boys Names in England, Wales

the Netherlands: Muslim Fanatics Terrorize a Nation

Terror Arrests in Netherlands

Van Gogh's Killer: "I Would Do it Again"

Scandinavia: Danish Journalist Threatened for Critisizing Islam

Belgium: Terror Web Discovered in Belgium

Belgian Police Arrest Dutch Resident on Terror Charges

Belgian Police Clash with Muslim youths, arrest 35

Belgium finds Nerve Gas Ingredient in Letters

That's why.

Marc: The only Muslims Osama kills are traitors, those that collaborate with the occupation forces.

You would do the same if Americans were collaborating with occupation forces in your town.

Posted by: Christian Wright at November 26, 2005 11:45 PM

Boy C.W. are you on the Osama payroll as an apologist (sounds like it)! Once again I will state that you are wrong! This is not a war between two idealist want there own Ideology to be successful. Why don't you guys see the stark difference between U.S. foriegn policy & Osama foriegn policy. The way the two sides operate on every level is the difference between black & white! There is no more to say, after what we've seen, to be an apologist for the others side puts you in ignoramous traitorous category. Good thing you live in the U.S. or you would have been rounded up and put in your concentration camp long before now.

I'm still looking for some reference to anti-war sentiment back in the early 40's, complaining that we should not be fighting Hitler---after all, GERMANY didn't bomb Pearl Harbor!

Maybe we were just smarter then. I guess if you get led around by the nose by the Left for a few decades, you can't see farther than the end of that nose.

"That's why."

I don't doubt they're arab, or even described as muslim youths -- and I don't know why you're linking to london or britons.

But what makes you think they're jihadists as opposed to plain old ghetto kids? France has a huge -- and secular -- hip hop culture in its immigrant ghettoes. Immigrants who are as muslim as I am catholic: raised that way.

The difference between Osama and Bush is this:
Osama murdered 3,000 American civilians to make a twisted political statement.
Bush murdered 100,000 Iraq civilans and cause the negligent homocide 2000 American soldiers by sending them to war unprepared (no armor) for profit (oil).

Christian,

You've got to keep up...we've already debunked the concept not only of 100k civilians, but even 24k civilians being killed...

The difference between Osama and Bush is this:
Osama murdered 3,000 American civilians to make a twisted political statement.
Bush murdered 100,000 Iraq civilans and cause the negligent homocide 2000 American soldiers by sending them to war unprepared (no armor) for profit (oil).

Posted by: Christian Wright at November 27, 2005 11:32 PM

Once again complete bush hating IGNORANCE, keep it up C.W. your irrelevence grows in leaps & bounds. You guys continue to spout out & out lies, we may just get tired of you & IGNORE your B.S.

>On the other hand, the things I do know about military affairs,
>politics and economics are tell me that Iraq has been a stunning
>success and that we owe it largely to the superb leadership shown
>by President Bush over the past five years.

If you look at the latest polls you see that not many people agree with you. "A stunning success"? You are truly delusional.

And you were over there for how long John H? It's O.K. ignorance is bliss, or you could go talk to someone that's been there and seen the success instead of the daily barrage of negative B.S. from the media.

And you were over there for how long John H? It's O.K. ignorance is bliss, or you could go talk to someone that's been there and seen the success instead of the daily barrage of negative B.S. from the media.

"I don't doubt they're arab, or even described as muslim youths -- and I don't know why you're linking to london or britons."-Shortz

So, you admit that they are Muslims. Good. Progress. The London and Briton links were made because the statement of mine that you quoted was, "But, Islam wants to fight you (since you are an infidel). France, England, the Netherlands, and Belgium are getting hit hard as we speak by Islamists."

Since you appear to be focusing on the riots in France here is an excellent article on French Eurabia. "No-go" zones with large concentrations of Muslim immigrants were all over France before the riots.

The Battle for France

The American Conservative, by Paul Belien (excerpts)

"The riots aren’t about social justice but who will rule."[...]

At first the media did not devote much attention to the rioting. These things happen every day in the predominantly immigrant and largely Muslim neighborhoods surrounding every major French city.
Only one week earlier Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy had declared in Le Monde: “Violence in French suburbs is a daily fact of life. Since the beginning of the year stones were thrown at 9,000 police cars and each night 20 to 40 cars are torched.”[...]

France is not exceptional. Police officers and firemen are used to having stones thrown at them in Western Europe’s immigrant neighborhoods as a normal part of their daily routine.[...]

These examples, unknown to Americans but all too familiar to many Europeans, show how for years virtual no-go areas have been forming in Old Europe. The areas were abandoned by left-leaning authorities intent on not “provoking” the immigrants with police presence.

These pockets of Eurabia are scattered across the western part of the continent. Some of the gangs consist of Islamic radicals, some are plain mafia gangs engaging in “secular” criminal activities, some are a mixture of both. Whenever right-wing law-and-order politicians try to reassert the state’s authority over their territories, heavy rioting follows.[...]

The riots that began on Oct. 27 in Clichy-sous-Bois lasted for days, grew ever more violent, and spread throughout France, until the whole world noticed. It is easy to understand why the “youths” in the suburbs turned so violent when Sarkozy tried to establish law and order there. The “youths” have held sway there, unchallenged, for decades. If they allow the French authorities to reassert their authority, they lose their own power base. Unlike the Western intellectuals, they realize that everything boils down to the question of who wields power over a specific territory. The police and the gangs fight over whose laws will apply in the neighborhood: the laws of the French Republic or the laws of Eurabia."

"unprepared...no armor"
Malarkey. During the war, a different type of armor (actually, after major combat had ended) was needed because of a necessity to deal with IED's. BTW, as Kerry voted against that armor, is he responsible?
And troops were "sent" to war not just by Bush but by the U.S. Congress (including a plethora of Democrats.
100,000 civilians dead in Iraq?
That study (the Land Study) is flawed to the point that it contains no value. Survey takers went to some neighborhoods and asked how many people had been killed..;.no verification of, say, morgue figures.
And how many of those civilians were killed by terrorists?

pd,

Check out B4B's Another Anti-War Fable Exposed. It totally debunks the war myth of high civilian casualties. The actual number of civilian casualties is closer to 7 thousand+. American troops are really good.