It has been several days now since the French authorities advised the world that things were calming down in France...Brussels Journal describes the quiet, peaceful nights France and other parts of Old Europe have been experiencing:
The state is dead, but we are not allowed to know. Hence the following official statement released this morning by the Belgian Ministry of the Interior: “On Saturday night the Brussels police detained about fifty people. Here and there cars were set alight. Nevertheless, the situation remained quiet.”
On Saturday night the Brussels police clashed with rioting “youths” in the center of the city. The authorities describe the events as “a game of cat and mouse.” In the course of this “game” five cars, two buses and a number of dustbins were set on fire. In Liège, the major city of Wallonia, the French-speaking part of Belgium, nine vehicles were torched, including a truck. The rest of Wallonia was “quiet” too. In Charleroi nine cars went up in flames, in Louvain-la-Neuve three and in Binche one. In Colfontaine a kindergarten was set alight. In Moeskroen, a town bordering France, a truck burned out after being hit by a molotov cocktail. The fire brigade had to protect the surrounding houses, but could not prevent damage to a nearby school and a butcher’s.
France was “quiet” as well. During the 17th consecutive night of rioting, 374 cars were torched and 212 people arrested.
Look, Europeans, if you want to survive - if you want to live in the sort of society you live in right now, then you are going to have to show these "youths" that your laws are things to be respected...you are going to have to use force; including, likely, deadly force.
I know you don't want to do it, and I'd not want to do it here in the US if we had such riots...but after a while, a society has to show that it will fight for survival...right now, all you've got is the appearance not of weakness, but of outright cowardice. These "youths" are holding you ever more in contempt...they don't fear you and, indeed, are starting to believe they are the stronger and will bring you to their terms.
What will it be, Europe? Your civilization, or "Eurabia"?
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"What will it be, Europe? Your civilization, or 'Eurabia'?"-Mark
If Europe doesn't wake up and smell the fires of jihad it will definitely be Eurabia. It might be too late, already. Offensive War to Spread Islam:
"The Sayings and Deeds of Muhammad and His Companions"
"One of Muhammad’s popular claims is that God commanded him to fight people until they become Muslims and carry out the ordinances of Islam. All Muslim scholars without exception agree on this.[-website] Muhammad said:
"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).
"Scholars understood this claim to mean the waging of offensive wars against unbelievers in order to force them to embrace Islam as individuals or communities. This is exactly what Muhammad himself did in carrying out God’s commandment to him.-website. [Here's an example-]
"Many provocative and painful events were inflicted on individuals and tribes in the course of Muhammad’s life.[-website] Muhammad, as we will see, used to exhort his followers:
"Invitation first (that is, call them first to embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war."
"In other words, he told his followers not to kill anybody unless you first invite him to embrace Islam. Only if he rejects it, must he be killed[-website]. This is evident in the story of Abu Sufyan:
When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?" Abu Sufyan answered: "I do believe that." Muhammad then said to him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?" Abu Sufyan answered: "By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul." The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: "Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword." Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.
There are many sources which record this story:
1)Ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11 ("Biography of the Prophet’)
2)"The Chronicle of the Tabari", part 2, p. 157
3)Ibn Kathir, "The Prophetic Biography", part 3, p. 549, and "The Beginning and the End"
****************
[Me-] Muhammad said, "Convert or die". Looks like France and the rest of Europe are getting a taste of Muhammad's tactics. Wake up, Europe!
Posted by: Freedom1 at November 13, 2005 10:22 PM
*Shakes his head*
I don't know about you but I don't think we've ever had riots going constantly in America for anywhere near as long as they are in France. Seriously have we? Can anyone tell me that we've had "spontanious Riots" that have occurred across America for more than week? Let alone two?
Posted by:
Gozer at November 13, 2005 11:39 PM
Gozer, I don't know the answer to your question. But, the situation is getting really bad. This week, Muslims rioted in France, Belgium, Denmark, Germany and now India. The Global War on Radical Islam is picking up speed and strength.
French Riots Day 18-Two schools torched, cars burned
Anti-Christian Rampage by 2,000 Muslims in India
WorldNetDaily.com
"They came in buses to the small village of Sangla Hill in the Nankana district of Punjab in India.
Some 2,000 organized Muslims first vandalized three churches, a nuns' convent, two Catholic schools, the houses of a Protestant pastor and a Catholic priest, a girls' hostel and some Christian homes, according to Asia News.
Then they burned them to the ground, while about 450 Christian families fled yesterday. They have not returned."
Posted by: Freedom1 at November 14, 2005 12:50 AM
Edit: That should read Pakistan, not India.
Posted by: Freedom1 at November 14, 2005 12:58 AM
See? I don't know of any civilized nation having riots like that. Right now I'm getting to the point where it's not a riot but an inserection! I mean that's the only kind of "Perpetual violence" i can think of that fits the current situation.
Posted by:
Gozer at November 14, 2005 01:25 AM
Yes. Insurrection accurately describes the violence in France. Good grief! Do something, France. Fight back!
Posted by: Freedom1 at November 14, 2005 01:52 AM
The Europeans don't get the concept of deadly force or war for that matter.
A Spanish judge wants to charge 3 US soldiers for a friendly fire accident. The charges: murder and crimes against the international community. with 25-35 years in a Spanish prision.
The US ambassador's response. This legal issue should not hurt US/Spain relations.
According to an Italian paper the magistrates reviewing the Sgrena incident are prepared to charge the US soldiers involved and issue warrants or try them in absentia.
Now that Bush has taken off the gloves with his domestic opponents, it's time to react to these insults. I could have gotten those whimpy comments from a President John Kerry ambassador.
Posted by: Kate at November 14, 2005 05:23 AM
One thing it's important to remember (not covered in MSM) Is that these immigrants are from French colonies! Saying they are not French is wrong, most of them are French speaking and have been from birth.
Saying they are not French is like saying Hawains aren't Americans.
France didnt just allow "foriegners" in - these are people from their own territory, their colonies.
Look I don't like the idea of burning cars, imagine all the polution from that!
But you really think the penalty for burning cars should be death? That is extreme.
The rioters are not attacking people, only property. And I dont think they should be killed for that.
Posted by:
Will at November 14, 2005 09:23 AM
France, Germany and Spain will fight to the last American.
Posted by: Rhod at November 14, 2005 12:05 PM
Consider this:
Population of continental France is about 60 million, with 2 million in overseas territories.
In continental France, about 20 million are white, Christian, and over aged 50, unlikely have produce any more children.
Of the remaining 40 million, 10 million are ethnic, non-white minorities. 25% of the continental Franch are non-white, mostly non-Christian minorities.
Age distribution? Ethnic minorities constitute 35% of the total continental population under aged 20, and of these about 50% are in the urban areas. Again, of these, up to 50% are Islamic.
Consider the demographic potentialities, and you realize that France as a Western country will vanish in less than thirty years. French bourgeois society isn't vigorous enough to alter the direction being taken. Au Revoir France. No wonder they don't fight harder. It's already over.
Posted by: Gannymede at November 14, 2005 12:17 PM
Posted by:
Madzionist at November 14, 2005 05:03 PM
Posted by:
Madzionist at November 14, 2005 05:04 PM
Are there deaths, too, as well as burning vehicles and such (not that that isn't bad enough). I'm just wondering, because it'd be interesting to see if there was a counter adding this all up. I wonder how fast this nonesense in France adds up, compared to the rate of such things in, say, Iraq.
Posted by: LNC at November 14, 2005 05:29 PM
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"What will it be, Europe? Your civilization, or 'Eurabia'?"-Mark
If Europe doesn't wake up and smell the fires of jihad it will definitely be Eurabia. It might be too late, already. Offensive War to Spread Islam:
"The Sayings and Deeds of Muhammad and His Companions"
"One of Muhammad’s popular claims is that God commanded him to fight people until they become Muslims and carry out the ordinances of Islam. All Muslim scholars without exception agree on this.[-website] Muhammad said:
"I have been ordered by God to fight with people till they bear testimony to the fact that there is no God but Allah and that Mohammed is his messenger, and that they establish prayer and pay Zakat (money). If they do it, their blood and their property are safe from me" (see Bukhari Vol. I, p. 13).
"Scholars understood this claim to mean the waging of offensive wars against unbelievers in order to force them to embrace Islam as individuals or communities. This is exactly what Muhammad himself did in carrying out God’s commandment to him.-website. [Here's an example-]
"Many provocative and painful events were inflicted on individuals and tribes in the course of Muhammad’s life.[-website] Muhammad, as we will see, used to exhort his followers:
"Invitation first (that is, call them first to embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war."
"In other words, he told his followers not to kill anybody unless you first invite him to embrace Islam. Only if he rejects it, must he be killed[-website]. This is evident in the story of Abu Sufyan:
When Muhammad and his followers were about to attack Mecca to subjugate it to Islam, his adherents arrested Abu Sufyan, one of Mecca’s inhabitants. They brought him to Muhammad. Muhammad told him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to realize that there is no God but the only God?" Abu Sufyan answered: "I do believe that." Muhammad then said to him: "Woe to you, O Abu Sufyan. Is it not time for you to know that I am the apostle of God?" Abu Sufyan answered: "By God, O Muhammad, of this there is doubt in my soul." The ’Abbas who was present with Muhammad told Abu Sufyan: "Woe to you! Accept Islam and testify that Muhammad is the apostle of God before your neck is cut off by the sword." Thus he professed the faith of Islam and became a Muslim.
There are many sources which record this story:
1)Ibn Hisham, part 4, p. 11 ("Biography of the Prophet’)
2)"The Chronicle of the Tabari", part 2, p. 157
3)Ibn Kathir, "The Prophetic Biography", part 3, p. 549, and "The Beginning and the End"
****************
[Me-] Muhammad said, "Convert or die". Looks like France and the rest of Europe are getting a taste of Muhammad's tactics. Wake up, Europe!
*Shakes his head*
I don't know about you but I don't think we've ever had riots going constantly in America for anywhere near as long as they are in France. Seriously have we? Can anyone tell me that we've had "spontanious Riots" that have occurred across America for more than week? Let alone two?
Gozer, I don't know the answer to your question. But, the situation is getting really bad. This week, Muslims rioted in France, Belgium, Denmark, Germany and now India. The Global War on Radical Islam is picking up speed and strength.
French Riots Day 18-Two schools torched, cars burned
Anti-Christian Rampage by 2,000 Muslims in India
WorldNetDaily.com
"They came in buses to the small village of Sangla Hill in the Nankana district of Punjab in India.
Some 2,000 organized Muslims first vandalized three churches, a nuns' convent, two Catholic schools, the houses of a Protestant pastor and a Catholic priest, a girls' hostel and some Christian homes, according to Asia News.
Then they burned them to the ground, while about 450 Christian families fled yesterday. They have not returned."
Edit: That should read Pakistan, not India.
See? I don't know of any civilized nation having riots like that. Right now I'm getting to the point where it's not a riot but an inserection! I mean that's the only kind of "Perpetual violence" i can think of that fits the current situation.
Yes. Insurrection accurately describes the violence in France. Good grief! Do something, France. Fight back!
The Europeans don't get the concept of deadly force or war for that matter.
A Spanish judge wants to charge 3 US soldiers for a friendly fire accident. The charges: murder and crimes against the international community. with 25-35 years in a Spanish prision.
The US ambassador's response. This legal issue should not hurt US/Spain relations.
According to an Italian paper the magistrates reviewing the Sgrena incident are prepared to charge the US soldiers involved and issue warrants or try them in absentia.
Now that Bush has taken off the gloves with his domestic opponents, it's time to react to these insults. I could have gotten those whimpy comments from a President John Kerry ambassador.
One thing it's important to remember (not covered in MSM) Is that these immigrants are from French colonies! Saying they are not French is wrong, most of them are French speaking and have been from birth.
Saying they are not French is like saying Hawains aren't Americans.
France didnt just allow "foriegners" in - these are people from their own territory, their colonies.
Look I don't like the idea of burning cars, imagine all the polution from that!
But you really think the penalty for burning cars should be death? That is extreme.
The rioters are not attacking people, only property. And I dont think they should be killed for that.
France, Germany and Spain will fight to the last American.
Consider this:
Population of continental France is about 60 million, with 2 million in overseas territories.
In continental France, about 20 million are white, Christian, and over aged 50, unlikely have produce any more children.
Of the remaining 40 million, 10 million are ethnic, non-white minorities. 25% of the continental Franch are non-white, mostly non-Christian minorities.
Age distribution? Ethnic minorities constitute 35% of the total continental population under aged 20, and of these about 50% are in the urban areas. Again, of these, up to 50% are Islamic.
Consider the demographic potentialities, and you realize that France as a Western country will vanish in less than thirty years. French bourgeois society isn't vigorous enough to alter the direction being taken. Au Revoir France. No wonder they don't fight harder. It's already over.
The disease of liberalism is what's burning France to the ground. Don't expect the media to let the cat out of the bag, though. Read: Oh, by the way...France is still on fire
The disease of liberalism is what's burning France to the ground. Don't expect the media to let the cat out of the bag, though. Read: Oh, by the way...France is still on fire
Are there deaths, too, as well as burning vehicles and such (not that that isn't bad enough). I'm just wondering, because it'd be interesting to see if there was a counter adding this all up. I wonder how fast this nonesense in France adds up, compared to the rate of such things in, say, Iraq.